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ancianita

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82. Understood. I've taught World Lit to seniors, attended seminars at the U of Chicago's Islamic Center, read
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 08:44 PM
Jun 2025

the officially approved Q'uran sold in the West, and can tell you that they do believe in martyrdom in the name of their Allah.

Whether you think they have some stated goal and whether or not you think it's relevant isn't really up to any of us anyway.

Totally get that we don't want to be the agents of Iranians' deaths. Or of Israelis' deaths. And we won't be. It's not our war. Yes, Israel is our ally, and we will support it, because we and the British helped establish Israel before it declared itself a nation state in 1948. The British Empire made several things happen before WWII and the Holocaust:

-- The Balfour Declaration (1917) was a statement by the British government that expressed support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine. It was their millennial home for thousands of years before the US and Europe ever existed.
-- The British Mandate for Palestine: Following the Treaty of Sèvres, the League of Nations granted control of Palestine to the British, with the goal of implementing the Balfour Declaration.
-- After the Allies won WWII, the UN Partition Plan (Resolution 181) passed in 1947 by the United Nations General Assembly, recommended the partition of Palestine into two independent states, one Arab and one Jewish, with Jerusalem under international administration.
This plan was accepted by the Jewish leadership, but rejected by Arab states.
-- Then, the British Mandate ended on May 14, 1948, leading to the Israeli Declaration of Independence (in Tel Aviv) as a nation state, and the subsequent 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

Whether you think it's relevant or not, there's no biblical basis for these RW apocalypse yearnings, either, because the Bible -- which I've read, studied at university level, and taught in Sunday school in two different denominations -- says no such thing.
This narrative that these self deceived christians tell themselves is just the latest iteration of a couple hundred times that christian hotheads have proclaimed "end times." No one at the International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem thinks this, either. It's all bullshit.

But one thing is historically true: Israel deserves to exist in its millennial homeland and has been fighting off those who would destroy it from the days of the Roman Empire to the days of Islamic-Arab state attacks in the 20th Century.

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Netanyahu actually told Iran orangecrush Jun 2025 #11
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He thinks he is the orange messiah orangecrush Jun 2025 #13
The Dominionists and Evangelicals slightlv Jun 2025 #64
Actually I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2025 #75
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Netanyahu telling Iran the "time is here" orangecrush Jun 2025 #15
Thanks mvd Jun 2025 #17
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He sounds like MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2025 #53
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Huckabee's divine exhortation. Yeah that sounds right. Last person who had his ear right? Insanity. n/t Evolve Dammit Jun 2025 #32
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Oh, yes - he does care what happens to the Jews after xians take over. And it ain't nice. erronis Jun 2025 #39
I doubt his motives MorbidButterflyTat Jun 2025 #55
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That's all we need, having a religious zealot encourage a meglomaniac to believe he's on a divine mission from God. patphil Jun 2025 #45
Some holy ass kissing orangecrush Jun 2025 #52
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We call it Tuesday. NT Happy Hoosier Jun 2025 #54
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I did not look at the video, but just saying, i expect EVERY decision from these two leaders will bluestarone Jun 2025 #58
Huckabee is full of pride and bullshit. Trump doesn't know shit about the Bible, and neither does Huckabee know ancianita Jun 2025 #59
Isn't Huckabee one of those nuts that think there has to be a nuclear war in the mideast dflprincess Jun 2025 #63
Could be. But I couldn't care less. Jesus himself said we'll know when He returns. ancianita Jun 2025 #65
Whether you believe it or not isn't the issue dflprincess Jun 2025 #67
True. ancianita Jun 2025 #72
Except that 65 million Iranians, most of ... Whiskeytide Jun 2025 #73
Do you know for a fact that 65 millions who chose their Ayatollah are not willing to die as martyrs according to their ancianita Jun 2025 #74
I'm not a biblical scholar, nor do I have seminary or ... Whiskeytide Jun 2025 #78
Understood. I've taught World Lit to seniors, attended seminars at the U of Chicago's Islamic Center, read ancianita Jun 2025 #82
Huckabee... GiqueCee Jun 2025 #60
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Yes that's it exactly orangecrush Jun 2025 #83
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... orangecrush Jun 2025 #69
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