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ucrdem

(15,720 posts)
12. I can't argue with your feelings, but the lack of quantification
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 04:05 AM
Jan 2017

in your OP and reply above suggests to me that you're simply trying to justify your impressions of the Clintons, which CNN and the rest of the media are all too eager to help you do. However, the numbers suggest that your thoughts on the Nov. 8 election are incorrect. All the WI polls were wrong, and Trump, the candidate despised by his own party, leapt 7.6 points on Nov. 8 to claim a WI lead he'd never previously enjoyed?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/wi/wisconsin_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5976.html

That's very implausible. And you haven't answered my question of what happened to those early and provisional ballots, which in WI are accounted for nowhere in the state's official results, which were wrapped up 3 days after the election, despite pre-election headlines like this:

Latino Early Voters Set Milwaukee Record
Wednesday, November 2, 2016, 3:35pm
http://www.wpr.org/latino-early-voters-set-milwaukee-record


So where are all those early and provisional votes accounted for? Nowhere that I could find on WI's Election Commission site, which oddly enough, notes in a Dec. 22 memo that it might be a good idea to count them now, so they can see if their new photo-ID requirement had its intended effect:

Please remember to update the status of provisional ballots in WisVote. We need to account for the outcome of outstanding provisional ballots and there is a strong interest in attempting to evaluate the impact of the photo ID requirement on the number of provisional ballots and whether they were ultimately counted.

http://elections.wi.gov/node/4832


And how did all WI's precincts manage to wrap up their counts by Nov. 11?

http://elections.wi.gov/sites/default/files/County%20by%20County%20Report%20President%20of%20the%20United%20States%20Recount.pdf

http://wisconsinvote.org/results/president-general

The answer I'm afraid is related to the fact that a Republican state administration illegally sought to restrict early voting and disenfranchise WI voters via ID laws so unconstitutional they were struck down in July by a federal judge:

Judge strikes down Wisconsin voter ID, early voting laws

Madison — Finding that Republican lawmakers had discriminated against minorities, a federal judge Friday struck down parts of Wisconsin's voter ID law, limits on early voting and prohibitions on allowing people to vote early at multiple sites.

With the presidential election less than four months away, GOP Attorney General Brad Schimel said he plans to appeal the sweeping decision by U.S. District Court Judge James Peterson. Peterson also turned back other election laws Republicans have put in place in recent years.

"The Wisconsin experience demonstrates that a preoccupation with mostly phantom election fraud leads to real incidents of disenfranchisement, which undermine rather than enhance confidence in elections, particularly in minority communities," U.S. District Judge James Peterson wrote.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2016/07/30/judge-strikes-down-wisconsin-voter-id-early-voting-laws/87803408/


And if the Walker administration was so eager to prevent early votes from being cast, what makes you think they made any effort to count the ones that were?

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I agree MichMan Jan 2017 #1
thanks for your reply karynnj Jan 2017 #2
What used to be the Republican party is gone......... Little Star Jan 2017 #3
I think part of Bush's problem was how long he had been out of office - and A LOT had changed during Midwestern Democrat Jan 2017 #5
Reading this reminded me of some lines from the Billy Joel song "Allentown" Jake Stern Jan 2017 #4
The problem is that on election eve, Clinton was up by 6, 5, and 4 points in WI, PA, and MI ucrdem Jan 2017 #6
There were a few articles about the problems pollsters had in getting people to answer karynnj Jan 2017 #7
I can't argue with your feelings, but the lack of quantification ucrdem Jan 2017 #12
I was responding to your post that also contained little substantiation karynnj Jan 2017 #13
My first post quantified, my second post substantiated. You haven't done either. nt ucrdem Jan 2017 #16
Your real clear politics link actually would substantiate what I said karynnj Jan 2017 #17
So Trump gained 7.6 points and Feingold lost in Walker's state because Hillary? ucrdem Jan 2017 #19
I did not say Feingold lost because of HRC -- the point was that there was a wave against karynnj Jan 2017 #20
Nationally Clinton won by 2+ points. So there goes that meme. nt ucrdem Jan 2017 #21
You completely missed the point. karynnj Jan 2017 #22
I get your point. It seems you're blaming the results of GOP cheating on the Clintons. ucrdem Jan 2017 #23
Where do get that I am blaming the Clintons at all? karynnj Jan 2017 #24
I read your OP. ucrdem Jan 2017 #25
You're spot on. The election was absolutely stolen. brush Jan 2017 #31
the thing is they Voted for him in the Primary. They did have a choice and they chose him among JI7 Jan 2017 #8
The over whelming majority of Democrats in the House were against the TPP. The unions think Jan 2017 #9
Exactly karynnj Jan 2017 #10
Stunningly brilliant analysis. Tatiana Jan 2017 #11
On abortion: LeftInTX Jan 2017 #15
I felt sorry for her on that question karynnj Jan 2017 #18
the nativist/nationalist/xenophobic fervor festers where people feel as if geek tragedy Jan 2017 #14
As far as abortion goes, Trump had them at his over-the-top remark to Chris Matthews no_hypocrisy Jan 2017 #26
It is not that complicated Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #27
I listened to the various interviews with those voters The_Casual_Observer Jan 2017 #28
Keep in mind that media presentations are mediated. ucrdem Jan 2017 #29
This is exactly why Bernie should have been the nominee. Joe941 Jan 2017 #30
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