2016 Postmortem

MadDAsHell

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77. "Doesn't move us forward an inch" - Ok, so what does?

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 12:04 PM

Dec 2016

You've listed a plethora of things to blame besides our candidates, their campaigns, or the Party. But no solutions to those things.

How do you fix a complicit mainstream media, or counteract Fox News? From a media perspective, there are far more people willing to buy what the Right is selling than to buy what we are selling. We tried that before; Air America was a joke in the ratings. Something like 4-5 million idiots watch O'Reilly and Hannity every night; Rachel is getting what, a third of that?

Some of your fellow Democrats that you're "sick and tired of" for playing the internal blame-game may be doing so because people naturally want to take action when they lose. We want to "fix." But you've offered no fixes, just a list of enemies. I think you would get more people on board with the "outward-looking" blame game if you offered solutions.

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WE Are NOT the Problem [View all] NanceGreggs Dec 2016 OP

off to greatest with you, and, as always, spot on, nance. niyad Dec 2016 #1

Out of the park again, my dear Nance! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2016 #2

K&R. n/t FSogol Dec 2016 #3

K & R. Bigly! stopbush Dec 2016 #4

K & R & S madamesilverspurs Dec 2016 #5

BINGO!!!!!!.N/T asuhornets Dec 2016 #6

So, with all these factors that aren't the Democrats fault Fiendish Thingy Dec 2016 #7

True! Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #15

The incumbent re-election rate was even higher than normal this year. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #27

We're all ears. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #21

The one thing I would say is more outreach to rural areas in purple states. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #30

Yes, precisely the reason Obama said he would have been reelected if allowed to run... and he would have using his tried and true strategies. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #32

Obama probably would have won even if his campaign was run just like Clinton's. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #33

Obama is a MASTER strategist... he woulda run rings around that Nazi bastard regardless. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #34

Obama/Trump debate? maddiemom Dec 2016 #65

I agree, not that Hillary did badly, but, let's be honest, she's no Obama, one of the greatest orators and genuine politicians in our lifetime. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #66

I am a former college debater and Hillary Clinton did great in the debates Gothmog Dec 2016 #105

One thing I wish they had done treestar Dec 2016 #71

The HRC campaign definitely should have done this. Even her own ads were mostly about Trump. nt MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #78

Nance-I volunteer a great deal of my time on voter protection efforts and I would like to know the Gothmog Dec 2016 #108

Those are all things beyond the Democrats control Fiendish Thingy Dec 2016 #45

Throughout the campaign ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #46

Trump's negatives were higher. If Trump won the candidate with highest negatives won. delisen Dec 2016 #52

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Dec 2016 #144

Sanders would have been a very weak general election candidate Gothmog Dec 2016 #110

If Hillary had been convinced not run Fiendish Thingy Dec 2016 #128

Two things that I have heard Ghost OF Trotsky Dec 2016 #56

You hear, but don't listen. Objectivity is something you should strive for. Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #69

Well said LiberalLovinLug Dec 2016 #90

Yes mountain grammy Dec 2016 #131

You Nailed It. Berlin Vet Dec 2016 #106

Welcome to DU! Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #114

Thank You Berlin Vet Dec 2016 #115

Clinton did this. GreenEyedLefty Dec 2016 #130

The claim that Democrats did not try to stop voter suppression is sad Gothmog Dec 2016 #117

Misogyny was a huge part of Hillary losing. stopbush Dec 2016 #102

As the father of two daughters, I am so sad about this Gothmog Dec 2016 #112

The Primaries are over uponit7771 Dec 2016 #63

Disagree what we have to do is start paying attention treestar Dec 2016 #70

+1000 Snarkoleptic Dec 2016 #8

+10,000!!!! Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #17

I can't rec this enough. THANK YOU!!!! LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #9

+1000000000000 ailsagirl Dec 2016 #13

K&R! gademocrat7 Dec 2016 #10

Thank you. mac56 Dec 2016 #11

K&R baldguy Dec 2016 #12

+10,000 for the truth in your post, BG! eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2016 #80

This a thousand times mcar Dec 2016 #14

H.L. Mencken The Wizard Dec 2016 #16

Very well said. Thank you! spooky3 Dec 2016 #18

Nance, I'm being serious here-- volstork Dec 2016 #19

THANK YOU!!! pnwmom Dec 2016 #20

Kick baby, kick Hekate Dec 2016 #22

great post bdamomma Dec 2016 #23

I don't blame the Democrats one bit for losing this election elmac Dec 2016 #24

ITA 100%! True_Blue Dec 2016 #25

Thank you, Nance! Cha Dec 2016 #26

THANK YOU Nance Skittles Dec 2016 #28

P.S. Cha Dec 2016 #29

That statement is so true Cha. oasis Dec 2016 #88

Perfect! Thank you, Cha! spooky3 Dec 2016 #129

You're Welcome, spooky! Cha Dec 2016 #132

K & R ...... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #31

So you keep saying but there was a difficult primary for a reason aikoaiko Dec 2016 #35

The primary was essentially over by mid-March and arguably after Super Tuesday. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #37

Arguably what made it over in March was the hastily declared superdelegate votes... aikoaiko Dec 2016 #41

I don't think the superdelegates had much, if any, bearing on the results. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #43

I don't think so at all. The superdelegate count was touted constantly by her surrogates and minions aikoaiko Dec 2016 #44

Even if it was touted as much as you claim, and I don't think it was... Garrett78 Dec 2016 #47

It's not hard to look up... TCJ70 Dec 2016 #59

"Superdelegate touting" could fall under "media complicity" in Nance's OP. n/t intheflow Dec 2016 #48

And yet, we were beaten about the head and neck with the 'results' and the 'insurmountable lead' AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #82

The insurmountable lead had nothing to do with superdelegates. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #84

Historically incorrect. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #86

No, it isn't. You can dig up my posts and the posts of many others making that very point. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #89

K & R & s kaitcat47 Dec 2016 #36

K&R brer cat Dec 2016 #38

Well Said - We're Up Against a Party that Cheats to Win dlk Dec 2016 #39

Democrats have always been too reluctant to call out the Republicans for what they are--treasonous Akamai Dec 2016 #40

what about the senate races? recount now Dec 2016 #42

Why can't it be "both/and?" intheflow Dec 2016 #49

+1 coco22 Dec 2016 #51

It's a sure fire way to lose another close election... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #53

you don't carry out a post-mortem by standing in the morgue going "the patient is SO NOT dead!" Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #100

Word. OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #101

"Get busy fixing the goddamn boat and quit bitching about who put the fucking holes in it." The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #107

But why would you ignore who was putting the holes in it? That makes no sense. kcr Dec 2016 #125

KnR Hekate Dec 2016 #50

Quite right lunasun Dec 2016 #54

Good post! Here's a little factoid that blows my mind and disgusts me beyond words: PearliePoo2 Dec 2016 #55

The Projections Berlin Vet Dec 2016 #111

K&R!!! secondwind Dec 2016 #57

Sorry, no. zipplewrath Dec 2016 #58

K&R Gothmog Dec 2016 #60

Great essay... Mike Nelson Dec 2016 #61

+1, " The problem is gerrymandering, voter suppression, a complicit media, unverifiable vote counts" uponit7771 Dec 2016 #62

YES! maddiemom Dec 2016 #64

Excellent points, as usual. And one other factor was the candidate who forgot.... George II Dec 2016 #67

Let's not forget the Rudy Giuliani's in this. FBI was feeding him info illegally. ffr Dec 2016 #68

K&R!!! horseshoecrab Dec 2016 #72

My sentiment exactly lunatica Dec 2016 #73

Trump won on the basis of a massive voter death wish, courtesy of Fox "News." Paladin Dec 2016 #74

k&r! DesertRat Dec 2016 #75

Thank you! lark Dec 2016 #76

"Doesn't move us forward an inch" - Ok, so what does? MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #77

TIM KAINE/DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ 2020! Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #103

There's a winning team! The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #113

Smells like victory to me! Especially since DWS can speak to "concerned soccer moms" Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #116

Thank you, Nance ladym55 Dec 2016 #79

Always been on the side of the working class? NAFTA. TPP. Repeal of Glass-Steagall. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #81

I love the car stealing analogy! pandr32 Dec 2016 #83

BAM! NastyRiffraff Dec 2016 #85

It's not your right to vote that protects you from dictatorship: paulkienitz Dec 2016 #87

Fill the seat on the bus and bring your technology nolabels Dec 2016 #91

Here we go again, another "feel good" post that refuses to face reality mtnsnake Dec 2016 #92

I don't understand the motivation OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #95

Spot on! dionysus Dec 2016 #97

Thank you for your posts NeoConsSuck Dec 2016 #127

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh, Wrong, but thanks for playing! HenryWallace Dec 2016 #93

I think the ones who aren't crying in their beer right now kcr Dec 2016 #124

Re this JustAnotherGen Dec 2016 #145

AGREE! WestCoastDem42 Dec 2016 #94

If our party isn't fighting the MSM, we are the problem. nt JCanete Dec 2016 #96

K & R Scurrilous Dec 2016 #98

Hmmm. Maybe "2016 Post-Mortem" isn't the best forum for you, then. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #99

Who are the people ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #118

Well I fall somewhere in between those two extremes, I guess. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #120

The thing is ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #135

I am sure we agree on some things, and disagree on others. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #137

It's always about Bernie. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #138

You seem a bit obsessed with that man. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #139

I'm not the one ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #140

Bringing who up? Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #141

Apologies. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #142

That's alright. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #143

Democrats and Hillary Clinton were not the problem Gothmog Dec 2016 #104

Flat out willfully delusional. See Congress. See State Legislatures. See Governor's Mansions TheKentuckian Dec 2016 #109

This. BlueWI Dec 2016 #122

Agree. mountain grammy Dec 2016 #134

100% correct - but good luck trying to get some on this board to admit it Midwestern Democrat Dec 2016 #136

K&R n/t lordsummerisle Dec 2016 #119

K&R Very clear and spot on. Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #121

Excellent post, and you are so right. nt raccoon Dec 2016 #123

The gerrymandering has been there since 2011. The Democrats had 5 years to so something about it. MarkCross7 Dec 2016 #126

Yes, yes, yes! Amaryllis Dec 2016 #133

we can walk and chew gum at the same time. Also, the same pols who betrayed key segments of base... yurbud Dec 2016 #146