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William Seger

(11,731 posts)
24. "Getting somewhere," huh
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 02:21 AM
Jun 2014


> So Seger, based on your conversation with the FAA via email, what is the "margin of safety" past Vd based on FAR 25.301, 303, and 305??

NOBODY KNOWS, Balsamo, and that's the whole point -- the whole reason your "impossible speed" claims are bullshit. Nobody knows because the only way to find out is the hard way. However, what we do know is, if the engineers accurately estimated the airframe stresses and then applied a 1.5 factor of safety to those stresses -- as they are required to do by the FAA -- then there certainly is a "realized margin of safety" if you should happen to find yourself flying faster than Vd. The reason for the factor of safety is that when you do the design, you can only estimate the real-world stresses and structural strengths, and if you're going to send millions of people up in the things, you damn well better be sure you compensate for any possible bad estimates.

Out here in the real world, we don't know the actual limits of 757s and 767s, but we do know they weren't reached on 9/11. You're trying to tell us that we were deceived, and my question to you is, why are you pretending to know what speeds are "impossible" when you don't have a clue how airplanes are designed?

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Fraud! William Seger Jun 2014 #10
Third time asked Seger, johndoeX Jun 2014 #12
Another feeble attempt at deception William Seger Jun 2014 #14
So, just to be clear... johndoeX Jun 2014 #15
WTF?!?! William Seger Jun 2014 #17
"Flying at Vd puts loads on the airframe" johndoeX Jun 2014 #18
For probably not the last time... William Seger Jun 2014 #20
Ok... now we are getting somewhere.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #21
"Getting somewhere," huh William Seger Jun 2014 #24
Nobody knows? johndoeX Jun 2014 #25
ROFLMAO. There's that bizarre Balsamo "debating" technique again William Seger Jun 2014 #26
The test is based on FAR Part 25 johndoeX Jun 2014 #27
Un-freakin-believable William Seger Jun 2014 #28
Loads johndoeX Jun 2014 #29
ALL types of loads are covered by the definitions in 25.301(a) William Seger Jun 2014 #31
Ding ding ding! johndoeX Jun 2014 #32
"You lose!" shouted Cap'n Bob from the bottom of his smoldering crater William Seger Jun 2014 #33
The FAA johndoeX Jun 2014 #34
Impossible lie exposed, pilots for truth next Gish Gallop superbeachnut Jun 2014 #6
Just a "journalist"? johndoeX Jun 2014 #7
The Vd definition is made up - why fake a definition to support a lie superbeachnut Jun 2014 #8
Why Beachy why? johndoeX Jun 2014 #9
Grade school kids more experience than needed to debunk pilots for truth superbeachnut Jun 2014 #11
"A mathematician"? johndoeX Jun 2014 #13
Flew a desk quote mining lie, mirrors the fake Vd definition quote mining failure superbeachnut Jun 2014 #16
Beachy - where did you get the diagram in your above post? johndoeX Jun 2014 #19
attacking a person, does not make the data wrong - no matter what other topics the person got wrong superbeachnut Jun 2014 #22
So, you agree with Frank? johndoeX Jun 2014 #23
pilots for truth expose they lack the expertise to decode the FDR superbeachnut Jun 2014 #30
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