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Warren DeMontague

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28. And, now, for the armchair psychoanalysis bit:
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:02 PM
Jul 2012

As I've said before, it's damn clear that what is driving much of this puritannical, anti-sex authoritarianism is somehow religion-based, either sublimated religious guilt, stealth (and not so stealth) alliances with the religious right, flat-out fundamentalism or simply people who have redirected it and don't realize it.

It is fascinating, when the topic comes to BDSM, how many of the 2nd wave feminist figures who opine on it, either allude to or directly acknowledge their own submissive sexual orientation. Dworkin herself was known to favor sub sex with her male partners, at least in her previous life. So how do we reconcile this? Or, more importantly, how do they?

As is alluded to in the other thread, I think it's probably true that most 2nd Wave Feminists who have a D or S sexual orientation are probably Sub. Why do I say this? Because, statistically, most people have that orientation. Again, it's pointed out in the other thread that subs far outnumber dominants, across the spectrum- male, female, gay, straight. It is speculated that this has to do with more people wanting to have a passive audience role than a stage driver role, but I think there's more to it than that: I think that people, in general, as animals burdened with the (relatively unique, as far as we know) weight of cognizance and sentience and language and civilization and all the rest, humans in general are tasked with a tremendous amount of control. Responsibility. In Buddhist terms, attachment.

Sexuality, and probably for those so inclined submissive sexuality, undoubtedly has appeal because people like to let go. They like to "lose control", they like to be swept away and give themselves over to something outside themselves. It could be argued that this impulse is behind much of our religion, as well.

So, people, statistically, skew sub. Not just people like Sherlock Holmes, but even 2nd Wave feminists educated in Dworkin and MacKinnon and "The Patriarchy" and the rest of it. Which has gotta cause a FUCKLOAD of cognitive dissonance. Along with our old friend, sexual guilt. (And here comes religion!) But for the authoritarian 2nd wave radfem, a simple solution presents itself by ascribing the personal sexual feelings and desires to a nefarious, external programming- Of course! I don't really enjoy those fur-covered handcuffs! .... "I Blame The Patriarchy!"

The problem is, it seems our sexuality is fairly hard-wired. Nonsense about programming and erotoxins aside, people like what they like and they keep liking it, which is why the sick fucks who are wired to like kids are, to my mind, not rehabilitatable. So in the case of your M/D Radfem who happens to be a little (or a lot) S, they aren't going to embrace their sexuality and be, like, "great, I'll find consenting adults who are compatible and we'll be safe, sane, and all the rest" because that person is going to be CONVINCED that not only is their sexuality a negative force that was put there by a nefarious space penis conspiracy, but also that it must be stamped out at all costs.

But that doesn't work, generally.

So unable to fix this glaring so-called "problem" in the self, it is the World which must be modified and corrected.

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WTF! BDSM in the RCMP? ITEOTWAWKI! [View all] Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 OP
So what is the official position on BDSM? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #1
Sherlock Holmes would not approve. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #2
In all seriousness, I read the essay posted ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #3
I may get into it in depth later, if I feel so inclined, but the piece itself really reads like a Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #4
That brings up a good point.. Upton Jul 2012 #7
wait... what did I miss?? opiate69 Jul 2012 #5
This Major Nikon Jul 2012 #10
Thanks, Major.... opiate69 Jul 2012 #11
I have a simple suggestion for that Major Nikon Jul 2012 #12
They took care of that discrepancy 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #13
Another thing I've noticed Major Nikon Jul 2012 #15
Yep yep yep... opiate69 Jul 2012 #16
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries! 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #31
lmao! exactly! opiate69 Jul 2012 #32
Here's an "even more super sexxxy picture of a woman" in her honor. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #19
Odd how, in my porn-addled male gaze objectifying misogyny, I forgot to not take her seriously Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #20
"want to talk about people who can frame the economic arguments better, there's your go-to person" lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #21
Sounds like "nice guy" talk, Warren ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #22
Please, please! Allow me to mansplain! Er, sorry, explain! Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #25
Seems simple enough.... opiate69 Jul 2012 #14
Apparently, the idea that the ever-expanding list of people who've been blocked from that group Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #17
Here's my offering ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #24
Yep. There are a whole long list of happy, unapologetic porn people who fuck up the narrative. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #26
speaking of Nina Hartley.. opiate69 Jul 2012 #33
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #36
Very confused.... opiate69 Jul 2012 #39
not very well lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Upton Jul 2012 #6
Targeted for being kinky.. Upton Jul 2012 #8
No, they are all "victims" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #23
reply loli phabay Jul 2012 #37
Once again the radical left and radical right are indistinguishable from each other 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #9
I promised a bit of a breakdown on the original article, scare quotes and all, so here goes Part I: Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #18
Part II: Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #27
And, now, for the armchair psychoanalysis bit: Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #28
Very well stated, Warren. opiate69 Jul 2012 #29
It kind of reminds me of the way many closeted fundamentalists 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #30
musta hit a nerve. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #34
Cognitive dissonance leads to denial and projection. hifiguy Jul 2012 #38
It doesn`t surprise me that this happened in Vancouver opiate69 Jul 2012 #35
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