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riversedge

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Fri Nov 21, 2025, 05:32 AM Nov 21

Ukraine banned from Nato, Russia readmitted to the G8 and territory ceded: what's in Trump's draft plan [View all]

Source: the guardian


Volodymyr Zelenskyy says he expects to discuss the plan – which was reportedly drafted by Russian and US officials – with Trump

Guardian staff and agencies Thu 20 Nov 2025 22.11 EST


Donald Trump’s latest plan for ending the war in Ukraine would see territory ceded to Russia, Russia readmitted to the G8 and Ukraine banned from joining Nato, according to drafts of the proposal seen by Axios, AFP and the Associated Press.

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he expected to discuss the plan with Trump “in coming days,” adding any deal must bring a “dignified peace” with “respect for our independence, our sovereignty.”

The cautious response from Ukraine’s presidential administration stood in contrast to the outrage at the plan from some Ukrainian officials who called it “absurd” “capitulation” and the effective end of its existence as an independent country

The plan appears to repeat Moscow’s maximalist demands and violate numerous Ukrainian red lines and would require an about-turn from Zelenskyy, who has said giving up territory would be unacceptable. It would also probably be deemed unacceptable by Ukraine’s European allies, who have long insisted that they should be given a role in the peace talks given the broader implications of the settlement for the continent’s security, particularly on Nato’s eastern flank.








Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/21/trump-ukraine-peace-plan-zelenskyy-territory-ceded-nato-russia-g8?CMP=share_btn_url



Unless I am really mistaken, it does not look like Ukraine was involved in so-called "Trump Peace Plan"!!

The plan was reportedly drafted by Russian and US officials, including the influential head of Russia’s sovereign wealth fund, Kirill Dmitriev, who has been involved in previous talks on Ukraine and is known to be in touch with the US special envoy Steve Witkoff.

The plan was reportedly drafted by Russian and US officials, including the influential head of Russia’s sovereign wealth fund, Kirill Dmitriev, who has been involved in previous talks on Ukraine and is known to be in touch with the US special envoy Steve Witkoff.

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/n...

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The world must step up to the plate and help Ukraine. Irish_Dem Nov 21 #1
I second that emotion. yellow dahlia Nov 21 #28
I have such tremendous respect for this man. llmart Nov 21 #2
ananda's astute political prediction ananda Nov 21 #3
That is an absurd plan ck4829 Nov 21 #4
Why does Putin keep winning? Puppyjive Nov 21 #5
Putin is not winning...he is desperate...hopes Trump will save him... Demsrule86 Nov 21 #24
No way Putin's winning. It's only nuke power puffery by the felon & his boss. Zelenskyy always listens, then refuses. ancianita Nov 21 #25
Fuck that shit... 2naSalit Nov 21 #6
Yes, indeed RazorbackExpat Nov 21 #17
Not a peace plan: it's a statement of surrender. sinkingfeeling Nov 21 #7
"Ukraine banned from Nato, Russia readmitted to the G8 and territory ceded: what's in Putin's draft plan" Ray Bruns Nov 21 #8
this evil Russian puppet administration can go to hell with this non-starter BS LymphocyteLover Nov 21 #9
No fracking way.. slightlv Nov 21 #10
If I were Zelenskyy, there would be absolutely no way I would agree to a ban from NATO! OldBaldy1701E Nov 21 #11
"Peace" plan drafted by Putin, and Putin's Orange Asset, without Ukraine's participation? Martin Eden Nov 21 #12
If infectious boil pus could assume human form.... LPBBEAR Nov 21 #13
Zelenskyy's reply Aviation Pro Nov 21 #14
How is it for the US to Decide Anything? angrychair Nov 21 #15
Trump is so good at losing he has become a consultant. twodogsbarking Nov 21 #16
TrumPutin is tag teaming against Ukraine. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Nov 21 #18
NO to Dumphf, and Putin! Stay strong, President Zelenskyy! electric_blue68 Nov 21 #19
Trump's "plan" is DOA. Martin68 Nov 21 #20
Yes! If he tries this, I think even the MAGAs will want him out FakeNoose Nov 21 #21
He gives Russia everything they want. Happy Hoosier Nov 21 #22
This is nothing but a reward for Russia blue-wave Nov 21 #23
This "peace plan" needs to be quickly rejected and Europe needs to pick up its material and financial support. Borogove Nov 21 #26
Saying Russian officials and Trump ... sleroy49 Nov 21 #27
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