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95. Obama was a member of Wrights church and likely agreed with those views. He said so in many different ways when speaking

Reply to PeaceWave (Reply #90)

Sat Jun 28, 2025, 04:03 PM

Jun 28

About race. So when he denounced those views, I do not think he was being true to himself or to the Americans he was trying to represent. It worked for him then -particularly because the faith people had in America then was substantially higher than now. Now, the vast majority of people tend to agree that this country has and is struggling in major ways and are willing (craving, really) to get behind people willing to admit that in any way.

It seems counterintuitive that a politicians would be successful crapping on the country he is trying to represent. But Trump is one of the most successful politicians in history and he craps on his country and constituents daily. In a period of America where we are now: Where the vast majority of Americans are distraught and furious over the current state of living, greed and injustice, people are unlikely to abandon a politcian or kick him out because he criticizes his country. These days? It is likely to make them more popular. That was absolutely not the case in 2008 because it was still a very different time.

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Zohran Mamdani Proposes Taxing 'Whiter Neighborhoods' in NYC [View all] Polybius Jun 28 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 28 #1

I know you're upset that Mamdani won BeyondGeography Jun 28 #2

Newsweek is generally considered centrist Samael13 Jun 28 #7

The poster is ashamed to put a clean Newsweek link in the OP because he knows better than you BeyondGeography Jun 28 #8

What do you mean a clean newsweek link Samael13 Jun 28 #25

they embedded the Newsweek link in text so you cannot see it is Newsweek without clicking it: Celerity Jun 28 #29

That's not why I did it though Polybius Jun 28 #37

Depends. I don't click on links until I know the URL. Igel Jun 28 #38

No surprise here. Kingofalldems Jun 28 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Jun 28 #55

Lots of people post "read more" links. Its not a conspiracy. nt Callie1979 Jun 28 #103

Non sequitur. I never said it was a conspiracy. You seem, based off your multiple replies, really invested in defending Celerity Jun 28 #144

I like to make it look pretty, without a messy link Polybius Jun 28 #34

I guess if you squint, and average the accurate articles with the RWNJ ones Fiendish Thingy Jun 28 #57

Newsweek is RW MAGAt run (Josh 'Jews Against Soros' Hammer) Celerity Jun 28 #71

Newsweek is right-center bias LearnedHand Jun 28 #130

Newsweek Embraces the Anti-Democracy Hard Right David__77 Jun 28 #10

So centrists are racists? Emile Jun 28 #17

Newsweek is a RW rag, Sr Editor is Josh Hammer, a hardcore MAGAt who platforms white nationalists, christofashies, etc Celerity Jun 28 #27

+1. Hammer cofounded Jews Against Soros dalton99a Jun 28 #53

The reality-based community thanks you once again Fiendish Thingy Jun 28 #58

So this story cant be found elsewhere? because his website says exactly what the story SAYS it does Callie1979 Jun 28 #104

According to your logic we can post Fox News or Daily Caller, etc as long as other sites also cover the story Celerity Jun 28 #117

Thats ups to you. I want factual stories. Callie1979 Jun 28 #140

Newsweek ain't remotely Centrist Wiz Imp Jun 28 #30

Im going on the chart here Samael13 Jun 28 #35

Sites like that are all biased toward the right Wiz Imp Jun 28 #46

That site is laughable. muriel_volestrangler Jun 28 #82

By whom? BlueTsunami2018 Jun 28 #41

This is where i look Samael13 Jun 28 #42

No it's not considered centrist Fiendish Thingy Jun 28 #54

No it is not! Luvcatz14 Jun 28 #60

Considered centrist hard right in my opinion. gordianot Jun 28 #102

Yeah that's gonna help him in the general election Samael13 Jun 28 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 28 #136

As a resident of the city Samael13 Jun 28 #139

Ah, complaints of "reverse racism" in an article dripping with racist shit. David__77 Jun 28 #4

💯 SSJVegeta Jun 28 #9

He didnt say what the title of the newsweek article is saying he said, though SSJVegeta Jun 28 #5

Why the deliberate use of the term "whiter"? MichMan Jun 28 #33

Because they're saying that Black and Latino neighborhoods are paying an unfair amount muriel_volestrangler Jun 28 #83

that document is worth reading cadoman Jun 29 #151

Its a ridiculous self-own. This guy is gonna be a gift to the grifters. Callie1979 Jun 28 #106

why use the term "whiter"? He could've easily listed the neighborhoods affected. Callie1979 Jun 28 #105

I don't think focussing on race is a good strategy. Mosby Jun 28 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 28 #11

I don't think any reasonable person could be offended by her remark in that context. thought crime Jun 29 #159

Good. He is not SSJVegeta Jun 28 #12

The article has heavy emphasis of Mamdani's race and citizenship status along with publicizing pleas of white victimhood David__77 Jun 28 #15

Even if you somehow think this is a good idea... tman Jun 28 #13

He will win in a landslide, in part because of this strategy. SSJVegeta Jun 28 #14

And the US House will remain Republican too, because of that strategy. dem4decades Jun 28 #18

The US House is Republican for the opposite reason. SSJVegeta Jun 28 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 28 #36

If that were the case, Trump would never have won with a trifecta. Twice. SSJVegeta Jun 28 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 28 #68

Just the fsct that any populism regardless of whether it is racially charged, is enormously successful SSJVegeta Jun 28 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 28 #75

Oh totally. Any populist has to be fully inclusive to be successful. Even the extreme nationalism as trump has an SSJVegeta Jun 28 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 28 #90

Obama was a member of Wrights church and likely agreed with those views. He said so in many different ways when speaking SSJVegeta Jun 28 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 28 #97

How is that a leap when the majority of Americans voted for a guy who has done only that for the last 12 years? SSJVegeta Jun 28 #148

Tom Kean Jr in the NJ-7th JustAnotherGen Jun 28 #133

He'll win because it's NYC and he has/had no credible opposition. tman Jun 28 #19

Funny you think the Mayor of NYC and recent governor are not credible opposition SSJVegeta Jun 28 #23

lol, let's not pretend cuomo and Adams were ever credible candidates. tman Jun 28 #28

Don't say hop until you jump over. LisaL Jun 28 #92

A lot of DU users who live in NYC live in white neighborhoods Polybius Jun 28 #45

Very shortsighted Samael13 Jun 28 #143

It may play in a city where registered democrats make up over 60% fujiyamasan Jun 28 #128

The establishment thanks you for your service. n/t TheBadWolf Jun 28 #16

They are quite welcome n/t Polybius Jun 28 #40

Blatant pandering purple_haze Jun 28 #21

Mamdani is the Democratic nominee for Mayor of New York Prairie Gates Jun 28 #22

If he says something, we are allowed to post it Polybius Jun 28 #43

Sounds serious Torchlight Jun 28 #99

Yep Polybius Jun 28 #108

The same goes for Democrats who are out there Cha Jun 28 #147

For sure...support Democrats means support Democrats Prairie Gates Jun 29 #165

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Passages Jun 28 #24

whew there is a LOT going on in this thread WhiskeyGrinder Jun 28 #26

Wow, some folks are working overtime to tank his campaign huh? Context matters and please lets not all of a sudden tulipsandroses Jun 28 #31

What if the idea becomes popular in other states??? Is Mag -a-largo in a white neighborhood? Or the While House? Ping Tung Jun 28 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 28 #39

The plan to tax the more monied parts of New York. Ping Tung Jun 28 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 28 #48

I'm not a New Yorker. I am white, middle class, and pay my taxes. Ping Tung Jun 28 #73

He is tryng to appeal to black and latino voters JI7 Jun 28 #49

What about middle class or poor folks who live in white neighborghoods? Polybius Jun 28 #51

Did you miss the conjunction? Fiendish Thingy Jun 28 #64

I'm not sure about nyc specifically but white people JI7 Jun 28 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 28 #52

So it's not tax the rich anymore? Nixie Jun 28 #50

It works for me, someone who looks depressingly like TACO. Remember it is written: from those who have more, more ... marble falls Jun 28 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 28 #63

It has nothing to with you or me. It has to do with the individual and their conscience. marble falls Jun 28 #65

Let's hope we get better messaging that attracts people to Nixie Jun 28 #111

No - read the quote. It's not "just tax white people in nicer neighborhoods". muriel_volestrangler Jun 28 #84

Why even call out race then? fujiyamasan Jun 28 #88

Because the system has been biased against non-white neighborhoods since 1981? muriel_volestrangler Jun 28 #91

Yep. More information tulipsandroses Jun 28 #100

So " richer and white neighborhoods" are not nicer? Nixie Jun 28 #110

No, it's not the only nit I have to pick. See the rest of the post. muriel_volestrangler Jun 28 #122

His own words. "Richer and WHITER neighborhoods" says Nixie Jun 28 #124

I really advise you to stop putting "whiter" and "nicer" together. muriel_volestrangler Jun 28 #125

His own words. "Richer and whiter" implies nicer. Nixie Jun 28 #132

Arguments can be made for higher tax rates based on income fujiyamasan Jun 28 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 28 #61

That's a good reminder fujiyamasan Jun 28 #80

Exactly especially with property taxes karynnj Jun 28 #70

What a stupid remark. Sogo Jun 28 #62

Question for OP. Why not post the entirety of his policy so people can have an honest robust discussion? tulipsandroses Jun 28 #72

Rather than reading what Newsweek says (and quickly picked up by the NY Post) - I'll read and listen to Nanjeanne Jun 28 #74

"If minorities are in those wealthier neighborhoods - then by all means tax them too" Polybius Jun 28 #76

Can you please post the actual video/audio/tax policy paper where he says this? I've searched and can't find it Nanjeanne Jun 28 #81

See #83 - with an excerpt leading up to the paragraph concerned (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jun 28 #85

Thank you. The whole context is so important particularly regarding the way taxes are assessed. He is Nanjeanne Jun 28 #89

He also says that if Benjamin Netanyahu sets foot in NYC, he will have him arrested MichMan Jun 29 #154

For the ICC arrest warrant, of course. Sadly, the US government has decided to aid international criminals muriel_volestrangler Jun 29 #158

That's another reason I would vote for him. The ICC issued the arrest warrants for war crimes. Nanjeanne Jun 29 #161

Must be different in NYC MichMan Jun 29 #166

It's not a question of whether the mayor could or could not - I applaud him for wanting to arrest a war criminal. Nanjeanne Jun 29 #168

Did you even read the policy proposal on his website? Incanus Jun 28 #86

I'm confused. This is about property tax. Poor people own property in more affluent neighborhoods? tulipsandroses Jun 28 #87

Inheritance Polybius Jun 28 #109

OK then. In terms of equity - Someone making 40K in Southside Jamaica may be paying more in property taxes tulipsandroses Jun 28 #112

I'm all for taxing the hell out of the rich Polybius Jun 28 #113

I doubt that would work - Too many tax loopholes when it comes to income tax. tulipsandroses Jun 28 #135

I've pasted the whole thing here EarlG Jun 28 #120

Bad Things About Democrats. Kingofalldems Jun 28 #77

Mamdani does not have a prayer but that shows how bad his competition is to get this far. Norrrm Jun 28 #78

I can't believe all the effort going into bashing one source while not commenting on the content. Beastly Boy Jun 28 #93

It's ridiculous! Must Kill the Messenger Must Kill the Messenger Fake News Fake News -- like they're programmed. betsuni Jun 28 #98

All New Yorkers in outer boroughs have been 2nd class citizens delisen Jun 28 #94

If the tax system is unfair and inequitable, by all means, advocate reform DFW Jun 28 #96

That's because it is being framed that way by those who want to further demonize Mamdani tulipsandroses Jun 28 #107

As far as I know he has not made a statement about this EarlG Jun 28 #118

Will do, thanks. n/t DFW Jun 28 #129

Yet another gift to the party of Putin. And yes, his website SAYS exactly that. Callie1979 Jun 28 #101

If anyone is interested EarlG Jun 28 #114

A staffer should've caught that one Sympthsical Jun 28 #141

This is maybe a bit out of left field, but what if it's not a mistake? EarlG Jun 28 #145

I agree, it could be very intentional Sympthsical Jun 28 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 28 #149

He's got four months to clarify and make his case Sympthsical Jun 29 #150

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 29 #152

I have a feeling Adams and Cuomo fujiyamasan Jun 29 #155

Oh come on. It's obvious what he means. Oneironaut Jun 28 #115

He didn't even make a statement EarlG Jun 28 #119

Thank you for posting! Will do Oneironaut Jun 28 #121

We have bigger fish to fry. True Dough Jun 28 #116

I don't know if I even want to wade into this discussion TacosUberAlles Jun 28 #123

Reparations are really something to be discussed at national level muriel_volestrangler Jun 28 #127

They will JustAnotherGen Jun 29 #157

That's very true TacosUberAlles Jun 29 #163

There are several cities around the country TacosUberAlles Jun 29 #162

No need to bring race into this TheFarseer Jun 28 #126

The language of that document is an invitation to a lawsuit. ARandomPerson Jun 28 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 28 #134

He also says he will arrest Benjamin Netanyahu if he sets foot in NYC MichMan Jun 29 #156

I doubt it. I think the biggest issue here is people lack full context of the issue- tulipsandroses Jun 28 #138

Lots of "racism against white people" energy in this thread ibegurpard Jun 28 #137

Is it that or people commenting on it being a dumb statement Samael13 Jun 28 #142

I see we're not going to have rational discussions about Mamdani. RandySF Jun 29 #153

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 29 #160

I'd like to know why TacosUberAlles Jun 29 #164

Regardless of Newsweek's reputation for bias the words to appear on this website and they are idiotic dsc Jun 29 #167