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In reply to the discussion: This is why the United States used to not do shit like this [View all]MadameButterfly
(3,317 posts)I recall a Gulf of Tonkin speech from Johnson re: Vietnam. Congress fell for the Tonkin lie and approved increased military involvement (we were already involved under Kennedy). Carter didn't bomb Afganistan, he boycotted the Olympics, stopped grain sales to Russia, and supplied aid to Afgan rebels. (Note, he was actually supporting the country that got invaded). Bush for sure got Congressional approval for Iraq (with lies).
I don't have time to research each of the examples you listed but I'm guessing they aren't all equal.
We NEED to not count them as equal. I'm not defending the military meddling of past presidents, but Trump has taken it to a new level. No NATO collaboration, no Congressional approval, denying the report of his own top Intelligence officer that there is no immediate threat....
He only takes advice--and I would guess flattery and coercion--from a dictatorial genocidal warmonger who is himself clinging to power to avoid prosecution, and who has been lying about Iran's nuclear weapons for decades. He has removed all experienced experts in foreign policy from the equation.
Trump is a malignant narcissist, and rulers with this personality disorder ALWAYS become military aggressors. It's part of the mental construct. This attack happened because of his mental illness, not for any claimed policy objectives. He is treating our military like toys. He has no ability to assess the ramifications and no one in place to do that for him. Anyone who objects is removed, so many just don't object.
Many in the past have gotten it wrong. But there have been people in place making decisions who are not psychologically/medically unqualified to be doing so.
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