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Crunchy Frog

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117. Russia is constantly making empty threats, and Maria Zakharova is a notorious drunken bufoon.
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 11:55 AM
Jun 20

That said, I think russia might be well advised to evacuate its citizens from a war zone before they get injured or killed.

If russia was so very concerned about the illegality of attacking nuclear facilities, then I expect it wouldn't have bombed, occupied, and threatened to blow up the Zaporizhia NPP, or periodically bombed the remains of Chernobyl, after occupying it and giving its soldiers radiation sickness at the start of the war. They like having their cake and eating it too, though.

This is an illustration of how russia uses its own nuclear status to blackmail and threaten the rest of the world, and it has largely been working, which is why they are still in Ukraine, and still bombing the fuck out of it. More decisive support for Ukraine would have likely ended that war a couple of years ago. It suggests to me that letting Iran gain nuclear weapons is probably not a good idea.

Basically, I think russia can go fuck itself.

The account that you have their is heavily pro-russian, pro-Putin, and pro-war, and I've had him blocked for a very long time.

If you're asking whether this makes me concerned, the answer is no.

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The lack of self-awareness is fucking stunning Prairie Gates Jun 2025 #1
Agreed. Warmonger Netanyahu was losing favor with world allies in his ethnic cleansing and starvation... brush Jun 2025 #103
It has never been about Iran having nukes...It's about regime change. Butterflylady Jun 2025 #105
I get you, similar to Putin and his Vladivostok to the Atlantic wet dream. brush Jun 2025 #109
No. But if we can help Israel eliminate nukes from Iran and possibly impose regime change then we can help Ukraine. OrlandoDem2 Jun 2025 #2
It sort of helps Ukraine Delarage Jun 2025 #32
Last time we got into regime change with Iran, we fucked it up pretty badly. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2025 #64
Right? I'm sure it will all go well Bettie Jun 2025 #107
Iran is a rogue state because of it's leadership maxrandb Jun 2025 #67
I have zero problem Dorian Gray Jun 2025 #69
Okay atreides1 Jun 2025 #102
This article Dorian Gray Jun 19 #114
What if Iran doesn't have nukes? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 20 #118
I'm hoping it will at least help Ukraine indirectly. Crunchy Frog Jun 2025 #80
Trust between nations Johnny2X2X Jun 2025 #3
Add in that Netanyahu pushed Trump to leave Iran deal karynnj Jun 2025 #37
On the other hand Iran was financing and supplying comradebillyboy Jun 2025 #52
Except for the Wahabbi ones AZProgressive Jun 2025 #84
The Gulf Arabs of the Sunni persuasion do comradebillyboy Jun 2025 #91
"Our own intelligence" is Tulsi Gabbard. She's Putin's eyes, ears, nose, and throat, and not trustworthy. Crunchy Frog Jun 2025 #81
So what's your take on this??? womanofthehills Jun 20 #116
Russia is constantly making empty threats, and Maria Zakharova is a notorious drunken bufoon. Crunchy Frog Jun 20 #117
my issue is with removing the intelligence assets who might contradict israel's assessment rampartd Jun 2025 #4
Great, great thread. MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2025 #5
But it's Israel doing it, so for many DUers, that automatically makes it a terrible thing. DavidDvorkin Jun 2025 #6
Way too many people in DU don't trust BB or Trump to do the right thing and uponit7771 Jun 2025 #30
I sure as hell don't MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2025 #31
Right, the imenent WMD threat was used in the 2000s with more trustworthy characters and they lied then.... uponit7771 Jun 2025 #35
Way too many people on DU don't trust BB or Trump to do the right thing? choie Jun 2025 #68
The world has two rogue nuclear-armed states. AloeVera Jun 2025 #7
Four. There are *four* rogue nuclear states. sir pball Jun 2025 #50
You forgot USA... JanMichael Jun 2025 #55
Sorry, but just no. We are one of the five "legal" nuclear states. sir pball Jun 2025 #62
And russia. Which, so far, has actively been threatening nuclear attacks against other countries. Crunchy Frog Jun 2025 #82
Thanks, just read up on it. AloeVera Jun 2025 #57
Good post. egduj Jun 2025 #60
How about dismantling Israel's nuclear weapons program? Bmoboy Jun 2025 #8
This x 1000. travelingthrulife Jun 2025 #13
Yeah, that never comes up.. AloeVera Jun 2025 #23
So why not dismantle the other illegal, rogue programs? sir pball Jun 2025 #51
I'm all for that!! AloeVera Jun 2025 #56
Make them illegal? Why didn't anyone else think of that???? NoRethugFriends Jun 2025 #63
Lots of people thought of it but it's still not in effect. AloeVera Jun 2025 #71
How in the world would you ban them? NoRethugFriends Jun 20 #115
We live in a M.A.D., M.A.D. world... AloeVera Jun 20 #119
Wow. So you think magical thinking works. Some of us live in the real world. NoRethugFriends Jun 20 #120
You're right. We never should have gone for civil rights, banning land mines or apartheid. AloeVera Jun 20 #121
It's a nice idea, but I don't see how it could possibly be enforced. Crunchy Frog Jun 2025 #83
YES! ILikePie92 Jun 2025 #54
That would require consistency and that one standard be applied to all nations equally. jcmaine72 Jun 2025 #70
I Don't Have Any Easy Answer Here (as there likely are none), But Thought Someone Needed to Break the Silence The Roux Comes First Jun 2025 #9
Not Me Deep State Witch Jun 2025 #10
I think it's Israel bombing Yemen, Lebanon, Seria, Iran & 0ccupied Palestine area womanofthehills Jun 2025 #33
How you do it actually matters. meadowlander Jun 2025 #11
I saw a chart this evening tonekat Jun 2025 #74
T H I S - two thoughts Cosmocat Jun 2025 #86
It's not stopping there. Klarkashton Jun 2025 #12
Several things are off here unblock Jun 2025 #14
Dismantling it?Is that what they are calling bombing both military and civilian sites? travelingthrulife Jun 2025 #15
Apparently some do mcar Jun 2025 #16
Yeah, the ones who don't trust BB or Trump one ounce uponit7771 Jun 2025 #28
Nena's pro-peace song is relevant to your position how? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2025 #17
Well, I take issue with any action that kills innocent people. MineralMan Jun 2025 #18
I'd even give Trump a wave if he can gert both Iran and Israel to disarm. Ping Tung Jun 2025 #19
Israel hate is strong. nt LexVegas Jun 2025 #20
So is BB and Trump trust uponit7771 Jun 2025 #25
We agree. nt LexVegas Jun 2025 #27
Except that is not what is happening. Eko Jun 2025 #21
The real issue is not their nuclear program, which has been halted. ananda Jun 2025 #22
Someone threatened to use nukes? I missed that part. JoseBalow Jun 2025 #48
***NO ONE TRUST BB!!!*** Stop with the bad faith questions uponit7771 Jun 2025 #24
Not particularly. Iran is a sponsor of terrorism and quite frankly, harumph Jun 2025 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 2025 #98
I think a large portion of the concern deals with process and methodology rather than conclusion Torchlight Jun 2025 #29
This. The original question is loaded EdmondDantes_ Jun 2025 #61
Immediately after Khomeini took over Iran, he declared Israel a cancerous growth that needs eliminating question everything Jun 2025 #34
If Iraq had nukes, george war bush would never have invaded them. I understand why countries want nukes. Silent Type Jun 2025 #36
Rogue nation with nukes... 1WorldHope Jun 2025 #38
Yesterdays dead Israelis might lame54 Jun 2025 #39
Generally, no. But I don't approve of direct U.S. involvement either. BannonsLiver Jun 2025 #40
You're right, they most certainly will not, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2025 #44
Yep. And that's particularly true of the young broccoli head male voters who supported him last year. BannonsLiver Jun 2025 #46
I think it's a good idea not to unnecessarily escalate with other sovereign nations. nt Gore1FL Jun 2025 #41
I'm conflicted... Mike Nelson Jun 2025 #42
A nuclear free Iran at all costs. nt William769 Jun 2025 #43
Israel and Iran deserve better leaders DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2025 #45
I have a huge issue with it ShadesOfBlue Jun 2025 #47
That's not really what this is about. AloeVera Jun 2025 #49
What nuclear weapons program? ILikePie92 Jun 2025 #53
Israel dismantling Iran's nuclear weapons program that United States Autumn Jun 2025 #58
That Tulsi Gabbard Mountainguy Jun 2025 #96
Not just Gabbard. What Trump and Netanyahu are doing is illegal. Don''t pretend Autumn Jun 2025 #97
With all respect and civility: NO! Bread and Circuses Jun 2025 #59
Three problematic things, our history, normalizing preemptive strikes, what happens after Zipgun Jun 2025 #65
Solid post. Aussie105 Jun 2025 #89
Great post ShadesOfBlue Jun 2025 #95
So Iran has a nuclearprogram inside the state tv station and Israel found out and bombed during a live Nanjeanne Jun 2025 #66
Lol. Don't forget one of their hospitals too. AloeVera Jun 2025 #73
Iran was negotiating a deal with the US AZProgressive Jun 2025 #72
Jaime Rubin says Iran doesn't have a iemanja Jun 2025 #75
Absolutely NOT ... nt Raine Jun 2025 #76
Israel will do what it must to defend itself... AntiFascist Jun 2025 #77
The Arab states will do nothing DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 2025 #85
China, Russia and North Korea form an axis that is also allied with Iran... AntiFascist Jun 2025 #108
For them to do anything they would have needed to have made preparations months ago, which would have been noticed DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 19 #111
China is the wildcard in this equation... AntiFascist Jun 19 #112
Let's give Peace a chance angrychair Jun 2025 #78
Strange how any one person, one leader, or one country can decide who deserves to have nukes, and who doesn't. Aussie105 Jun 2025 #79
No one needs nukes... OC375 Jun 2025 #87
You can't blame any country for wanting nukes. Emile Jun 2025 #88
What nuclear weapons program? AStern Jun 2025 #90
No! Not as long as it is Israel maxrandb Jun 2025 #92
US intel says they don't have nukes and Netanyahu offer no proof, this is just war hungry nobs starting another war krawhitham Jun 2025 #93
Yes if it leads to WWIII the_liberal_grandpa Jun 2025 #94
How about this compromise indusurb Jun 2025 #99
The market system will probably fill in for their needs Strelnikov_ Jun 2025 #100
Im for dismantling all nuclear programs. Not blowing up uranium in highly populated regions. SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #101
Do you have an issue with Israel dragging us into a war with Iran and opening us up to other blowback? CentralMass Jun 2025 #104
I'd like to see hard evidence that Iran... -misanthroptimist Jun 2025 #106
you mean countries with a shit-ton of nukes... mike_c Jun 2025 #110
I wonder what that "dismantling" by Israel would entail, you know... MineralMan Jun 19 #113
The U.S. could show them. AloeVera Jun 20 #122
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