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37. Add in that Netanyahu pushed Trump to leave Iran deal

Reply to Johnny2X2X (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 17, 2025, 04:14 PM

Jun 17

Also, Netanyahu was one of neo con voices arguing that regime change in Iraq would make the middleeast safer.

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Does anyone here really take issue with Israel dismantling Iran's nuclear weapons program? [View all] PeaceWave Jun 17 OP

The lack of self-awareness is fucking stunning Prairie Gates Jun 17 #1

Agreed. Warmonger Netanyahu was losing favor with world allies in his ethnic cleansing and starvation... brush Jun 18 #103

It has never been about Iran having nukes...It's about regime change. Butterflylady Jun 18 #105

I get you, similar to Putin and his Vladivostok to the Atlantic wet dream. brush Jun 18 #109

No. But if we can help Israel eliminate nukes from Iran and possibly impose regime change then we can help Ukraine. OrlandoDem2 Jun 17 #2

It sort of helps Ukraine Delarage Jun 17 #32

Last time we got into regime change with Iran, we fucked it up pretty badly. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 17 #64

Right? I'm sure it will all go well Bettie Jun 18 #107

Iran is a rogue state because of it's leadership maxrandb Jun 17 #67

I have zero problem Dorian Gray Jun 17 #69

Okay atreides1 Jun 18 #102

This article Dorian Gray Jun 19 #114

What if Iran doesn't have nukes? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 20 #118

I'm hoping it will at least help Ukraine indirectly. Crunchy Frog Jun 18 #80

Trust between nations Johnny2X2X Jun 17 #3

Add in that Netanyahu pushed Trump to leave Iran deal karynnj Jun 17 #37

On the other hand Iran was financing and supplying comradebillyboy Jun 17 #52

Except for the Wahabbi ones AZProgressive Jun 18 #84

The Gulf Arabs of the Sunni persuasion do comradebillyboy Jun 18 #91

"Our own intelligence" is Tulsi Gabbard. She's Putin's eyes, ears, nose, and throat, and not trustworthy. Crunchy Frog Jun 18 #81

So what's your take on this??? womanofthehills Jun 20 #116

Russia is constantly making empty threats, and Maria Zakharova is a notorious drunken bufoon. Crunchy Frog Jun 20 #117

my issue is with removing the intelligence assets who might contradict israel's assessment rampartd Jun 17 #4

Great, great thread. MarineCombatEngineer Jun 17 #5

But it's Israel doing it, so for many DUers, that automatically makes it a terrible thing. DavidDvorkin Jun 17 #6

Way too many people in DU don't trust BB or Trump to do the right thing and uponit7771 Jun 17 #30

I sure as hell don't MarineCombatEngineer Jun 17 #31

Right, the imenent WMD threat was used in the 2000s with more trustworthy characters and they lied then.... uponit7771 Jun 17 #35

Way too many people on DU don't trust BB or Trump to do the right thing? choie Jun 17 #68

The world has two rogue nuclear-armed states. AloeVera Jun 17 #7

Four. There are *four* rogue nuclear states. sir pball Jun 17 #50

You forgot USA... JanMichael Jun 17 #55

Sorry, but just no. We are one of the five "legal" nuclear states. sir pball Jun 17 #62

And russia. Which, so far, has actively been threatening nuclear attacks against other countries. Crunchy Frog Jun 18 #82

Thanks, just read up on it. AloeVera Jun 17 #57

Good post. egduj Jun 17 #60

How about dismantling Israel's nuclear weapons program? Bmoboy Jun 17 #8

This x 1000. travelingthrulife Jun 17 #13

Yeah, that never comes up.. AloeVera Jun 17 #23

So why not dismantle the other illegal, rogue programs? sir pball Jun 17 #51

I'm all for that!! AloeVera Jun 17 #56

Make them illegal? Why didn't anyone else think of that???? NoRethugFriends Jun 17 #63

Lots of people thought of it but it's still not in effect. AloeVera Jun 17 #71

How in the world would you ban them? NoRethugFriends Jun 20 #115

We live in a M.A.D., M.A.D. world... AloeVera Jun 20 #119

Wow. So you think magical thinking works. Some of us live in the real world. NoRethugFriends Jun 20 #120

You're right. We never should have gone for civil rights, banning land mines or apartheid. AloeVera Jun 20 #121

It's a nice idea, but I don't see how it could possibly be enforced. Crunchy Frog Jun 18 #83

YES! ILikePie92 Jun 17 #54

That would require consistency and that one standard be applied to all nations equally. jcmaine72 Jun 17 #70

I Don't Have Any Easy Answer Here (as there likely are none), But Thought Someone Needed to Break the Silence The Roux Comes First Jun 17 #9

Not Me Deep State Witch Jun 17 #10

I think it's Israel bombing Yemen, Lebanon, Seria, Iran & 0ccupied Palestine area womanofthehills Jun 17 #33

How you do it actually matters. meadowlander Jun 17 #11

I saw a chart this evening tonekat Jun 17 #74

T H I S - two thoughts Cosmocat Jun 18 #86

It's not stopping there. Klarkashton Jun 17 #12

Several things are off here unblock Jun 17 #14

Dismantling it?Is that what they are calling bombing both military and civilian sites? travelingthrulife Jun 17 #15

Apparently some do mcar Jun 17 #16

Yeah, the ones who don't trust BB or Trump one ounce uponit7771 Jun 17 #28

Nena's pro-peace song is relevant to your position how? muriel_volestrangler Jun 17 #17

Well, I take issue with any action that kills innocent people. MineralMan Jun 17 #18

I'd even give Trump a wave if he can gert both Iran and Israel to disarm. Ping Tung Jun 17 #19

Israel hate is strong. nt LexVegas Jun 17 #20

So is BB and Trump trust uponit7771 Jun 17 #25

We agree. nt LexVegas Jun 17 #27

Except that is not what is happening. Eko Jun 17 #21

The real issue is not their nuclear program, which has been halted. ananda Jun 17 #22

Someone threatened to use nukes? I missed that part. JoseBalow Jun 17 #48

***NO ONE TRUST BB!!!*** Stop with the bad faith questions uponit7771 Jun 17 #24

Not particularly. Iran is a sponsor of terrorism and quite frankly, harumph Jun 17 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 18 #98

I think a large portion of the concern deals with process and methodology rather than conclusion Torchlight Jun 17 #29

This. The original question is loaded EdmondDantes_ Jun 17 #61

Immediately after Khomeini took over Iran, he declared Israel a cancerous growth that needs eliminating question everything Jun 17 #34

If Iraq had nukes, george war bush would never have invaded them. I understand why countries want nukes. Silent Type Jun 17 #36

Rogue nation with nukes... 1WorldHope Jun 17 #38

Yesterdays dead Israelis might lame54 Jun 17 #39

Generally, no. But I don't approve of direct U.S. involvement either. BannonsLiver Jun 17 #40

You're right, they most certainly will not, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 17 #44

Yep. And that's particularly true of the young broccoli head male voters who supported him last year. BannonsLiver Jun 17 #46

I think it's a good idea not to unnecessarily escalate with other sovereign nations. nt Gore1FL Jun 17 #41

I'm conflicted... Mike Nelson Jun 17 #42

A nuclear free Iran at all costs. nt William769 Jun 17 #43

Israel and Iran deserve better leaders DemocratSinceBirth Jun 17 #45

I have a huge issue with it ShadesOfBlue Jun 17 #47

That's not really what this is about. AloeVera Jun 17 #49

What nuclear weapons program? ILikePie92 Jun 17 #53

Israel dismantling Iran's nuclear weapons program that United States Autumn Jun 17 #58

That Tulsi Gabbard Mountainguy Jun 18 #96

Not just Gabbard. What Trump and Netanyahu are doing is illegal. Don''t pretend Autumn Jun 18 #97

With all respect and civility: NO! Bread and Circuses Jun 17 #59

Three problematic things, our history, normalizing preemptive strikes, what happens after Zipgun Jun 17 #65

Solid post. Aussie105 Jun 18 #89

Great post ShadesOfBlue Jun 18 #95

So Iran has a nuclearprogram inside the state tv station and Israel found out and bombed during a live Nanjeanne Jun 17 #66

Lol. Don't forget one of their hospitals too. AloeVera Jun 17 #73

Iran was negotiating a deal with the US AZProgressive Jun 17 #72

Jaime Rubin says Iran doesn't have a iemanja Jun 18 #75

Absolutely NOT ... nt Raine Jun 18 #76

Israel will do what it must to defend itself... AntiFascist Jun 18 #77

The Arab states will do nothing DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 18 #85

China, Russia and North Korea form an axis that is also allied with Iran... AntiFascist Jun 18 #108

For them to do anything they would have needed to have made preparations months ago, which would have been noticed DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 19 #111

China is the wildcard in this equation... AntiFascist Jun 19 #112

Let's give Peace a chance angrychair Jun 18 #78

Strange how any one person, one leader, or one country can decide who deserves to have nukes, and who doesn't. Aussie105 Jun 18 #79

No one needs nukes... OC375 Jun 18 #87

You can't blame any country for wanting nukes. Emile Jun 18 #88

What nuclear weapons program? AStern Jun 18 #90

No! Not as long as it is Israel maxrandb Jun 18 #92

US intel says they don't have nukes and Netanyahu offer no proof, this is just war hungry nobs starting another war krawhitham Jun 18 #93

Yes if it leads to WWIII the_liberal_grandpa Jun 18 #94

How about this compromise indusurb Jun 18 #99

The market system will probably fill in for their needs Strelnikov_ Jun 18 #100

Im for dismantling all nuclear programs. Not blowing up uranium in highly populated regions. SSJVegeta Jun 18 #101

Do you have an issue with Israel dragging us into a war with Iran and opening us up to other blowback? CentralMass Jun 18 #104

I'd like to see hard evidence that Iran... -misanthroptimist Jun 18 #106

you mean countries with a shit-ton of nukes... mike_c Jun 18 #110

I wonder what that "dismantling" by Israel would entail, you know... MineralMan Jun 19 #113

The U.S. could show them. AloeVera Jun 20 #122