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uponit7771

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30. Way too many people in DU don't trust BB or Trump to do the right thing and
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 03:50 PM
Jun 17

... too many do.

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The lack of self-awareness is fucking stunning Prairie Gates Jun 17 #1
Agreed. Warmonger Netanyahu was losing favor with world allies in his ethnic cleansing and starvation... brush Jun 18 #103
It has never been about Iran having nukes...It's about regime change. Butterflylady Jun 18 #105
I get you, similar to Putin and his Vladivostok to the Atlantic wet dream. brush Jun 18 #109
No. But if we can help Israel eliminate nukes from Iran and possibly impose regime change then we can help Ukraine. OrlandoDem2 Jun 17 #2
It sort of helps Ukraine Delarage Jun 17 #32
Last time we got into regime change with Iran, we fucked it up pretty badly. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 17 #64
Right? I'm sure it will all go well Bettie Jun 18 #107
Iran is a rogue state because of it's leadership maxrandb Jun 17 #67
I have zero problem Dorian Gray Jun 17 #69
Okay atreides1 Jun 18 #102
This article Dorian Gray Jun 19 #114
What if Iran doesn't have nukes? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 20 #118
I'm hoping it will at least help Ukraine indirectly. Crunchy Frog Jun 18 #80
Trust between nations Johnny2X2X Jun 17 #3
Add in that Netanyahu pushed Trump to leave Iran deal karynnj Jun 17 #37
On the other hand Iran was financing and supplying comradebillyboy Jun 17 #52
Except for the Wahabbi ones AZProgressive Jun 18 #84
The Gulf Arabs of the Sunni persuasion do comradebillyboy Jun 18 #91
"Our own intelligence" is Tulsi Gabbard. She's Putin's eyes, ears, nose, and throat, and not trustworthy. Crunchy Frog Jun 18 #81
So what's your take on this??? womanofthehills Jun 20 #116
Russia is constantly making empty threats, and Maria Zakharova is a notorious drunken bufoon. Crunchy Frog Jun 20 #117
my issue is with removing the intelligence assets who might contradict israel's assessment rampartd Jun 17 #4
Great, great thread. MarineCombatEngineer Jun 17 #5
But it's Israel doing it, so for many DUers, that automatically makes it a terrible thing. DavidDvorkin Jun 17 #6
Way too many people in DU don't trust BB or Trump to do the right thing and uponit7771 Jun 17 #30
I sure as hell don't MarineCombatEngineer Jun 17 #31
Right, the imenent WMD threat was used in the 2000s with more trustworthy characters and they lied then.... uponit7771 Jun 17 #35
Way too many people on DU don't trust BB or Trump to do the right thing? choie Jun 17 #68
The world has two rogue nuclear-armed states. AloeVera Jun 17 #7
Four. There are *four* rogue nuclear states. sir pball Jun 17 #50
You forgot USA... JanMichael Jun 17 #55
Sorry, but just no. We are one of the five "legal" nuclear states. sir pball Jun 17 #62
And russia. Which, so far, has actively been threatening nuclear attacks against other countries. Crunchy Frog Jun 18 #82
Thanks, just read up on it. AloeVera Jun 17 #57
Good post. egduj Jun 17 #60
How about dismantling Israel's nuclear weapons program? Bmoboy Jun 17 #8
This x 1000. travelingthrulife Jun 17 #13
Yeah, that never comes up.. AloeVera Jun 17 #23
So why not dismantle the other illegal, rogue programs? sir pball Jun 17 #51
I'm all for that!! AloeVera Jun 17 #56
Make them illegal? Why didn't anyone else think of that???? NoRethugFriends Jun 17 #63
Lots of people thought of it but it's still not in effect. AloeVera Jun 17 #71
How in the world would you ban them? NoRethugFriends Jun 20 #115
We live in a M.A.D., M.A.D. world... AloeVera Jun 20 #119
Wow. So you think magical thinking works. Some of us live in the real world. NoRethugFriends Jun 20 #120
You're right. We never should have gone for civil rights, banning land mines or apartheid. AloeVera Jun 20 #121
It's a nice idea, but I don't see how it could possibly be enforced. Crunchy Frog Jun 18 #83
YES! ILikePie92 Jun 17 #54
That would require consistency and that one standard be applied to all nations equally. jcmaine72 Jun 17 #70
I Don't Have Any Easy Answer Here (as there likely are none), But Thought Someone Needed to Break the Silence The Roux Comes First Jun 17 #9
Not Me Deep State Witch Jun 17 #10
I think it's Israel bombing Yemen, Lebanon, Seria, Iran & 0ccupied Palestine area womanofthehills Jun 17 #33
How you do it actually matters. meadowlander Jun 17 #11
I saw a chart this evening tonekat Jun 17 #74
T H I S - two thoughts Cosmocat Jun 18 #86
It's not stopping there. Klarkashton Jun 17 #12
Several things are off here unblock Jun 17 #14
Dismantling it?Is that what they are calling bombing both military and civilian sites? travelingthrulife Jun 17 #15
Apparently some do mcar Jun 17 #16
Yeah, the ones who don't trust BB or Trump one ounce uponit7771 Jun 17 #28
Nena's pro-peace song is relevant to your position how? muriel_volestrangler Jun 17 #17
Well, I take issue with any action that kills innocent people. MineralMan Jun 17 #18
I'd even give Trump a wave if he can gert both Iran and Israel to disarm. Ping Tung Jun 17 #19
Israel hate is strong. nt LexVegas Jun 17 #20
So is BB and Trump trust uponit7771 Jun 17 #25
We agree. nt LexVegas Jun 17 #27
Except that is not what is happening. Eko Jun 17 #21
The real issue is not their nuclear program, which has been halted. ananda Jun 17 #22
Someone threatened to use nukes? I missed that part. JoseBalow Jun 17 #48
***NO ONE TRUST BB!!!*** Stop with the bad faith questions uponit7771 Jun 17 #24
Not particularly. Iran is a sponsor of terrorism and quite frankly, harumph Jun 17 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 18 #98
I think a large portion of the concern deals with process and methodology rather than conclusion Torchlight Jun 17 #29
This. The original question is loaded EdmondDantes_ Jun 17 #61
Immediately after Khomeini took over Iran, he declared Israel a cancerous growth that needs eliminating question everything Jun 17 #34
If Iraq had nukes, george war bush would never have invaded them. I understand why countries want nukes. Silent Type Jun 17 #36
Rogue nation with nukes... 1WorldHope Jun 17 #38
Yesterdays dead Israelis might lame54 Jun 17 #39
Generally, no. But I don't approve of direct U.S. involvement either. BannonsLiver Jun 17 #40
You're right, they most certainly will not, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 17 #44
Yep. And that's particularly true of the young broccoli head male voters who supported him last year. BannonsLiver Jun 17 #46
I think it's a good idea not to unnecessarily escalate with other sovereign nations. nt Gore1FL Jun 17 #41
I'm conflicted... Mike Nelson Jun 17 #42
A nuclear free Iran at all costs. nt William769 Jun 17 #43
Israel and Iran deserve better leaders DemocratSinceBirth Jun 17 #45
I have a huge issue with it ShadesOfBlue Jun 17 #47
That's not really what this is about. AloeVera Jun 17 #49
What nuclear weapons program? ILikePie92 Jun 17 #53
Israel dismantling Iran's nuclear weapons program that United States Autumn Jun 17 #58
That Tulsi Gabbard Mountainguy Jun 18 #96
Not just Gabbard. What Trump and Netanyahu are doing is illegal. Don''t pretend Autumn Jun 18 #97
With all respect and civility: NO! Bread and Circuses Jun 17 #59
Three problematic things, our history, normalizing preemptive strikes, what happens after Zipgun Jun 17 #65
Solid post. Aussie105 Jun 18 #89
Great post ShadesOfBlue Jun 18 #95
So Iran has a nuclearprogram inside the state tv station and Israel found out and bombed during a live Nanjeanne Jun 17 #66
Lol. Don't forget one of their hospitals too. AloeVera Jun 17 #73
Iran was negotiating a deal with the US AZProgressive Jun 17 #72
Jaime Rubin says Iran doesn't have a iemanja Jun 18 #75
Absolutely NOT ... nt Raine Jun 18 #76
Israel will do what it must to defend itself... AntiFascist Jun 18 #77
The Arab states will do nothing DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 18 #85
China, Russia and North Korea form an axis that is also allied with Iran... AntiFascist Jun 18 #108
For them to do anything they would have needed to have made preparations months ago, which would have been noticed DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 19 #111
China is the wildcard in this equation... AntiFascist Jun 19 #112
Let's give Peace a chance angrychair Jun 18 #78
Strange how any one person, one leader, or one country can decide who deserves to have nukes, and who doesn't. Aussie105 Jun 18 #79
No one needs nukes... OC375 Jun 18 #87
You can't blame any country for wanting nukes. Emile Jun 18 #88
What nuclear weapons program? AStern Jun 18 #90
No! Not as long as it is Israel maxrandb Jun 18 #92
US intel says they don't have nukes and Netanyahu offer no proof, this is just war hungry nobs starting another war krawhitham Jun 18 #93
Yes if it leads to WWIII the_liberal_grandpa Jun 18 #94
How about this compromise indusurb Jun 18 #99
The market system will probably fill in for their needs Strelnikov_ Jun 18 #100
Im for dismantling all nuclear programs. Not blowing up uranium in highly populated regions. SSJVegeta Jun 18 #101
Do you have an issue with Israel dragging us into a war with Iran and opening us up to other blowback? CentralMass Jun 18 #104
I'd like to see hard evidence that Iran... -misanthroptimist Jun 18 #106
you mean countries with a shit-ton of nukes... mike_c Jun 18 #110
I wonder what that "dismantling" by Israel would entail, you know... MineralMan Jun 19 #113
The U.S. could show them. AloeVera Jun 20 #122
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