Please stop punching down on the Black Woman

[JustAnotherGen]

Posted in the African American Group


Please Note - Senator Sanders is currently an Independent

'That’s how you win': Bernie Sanders scolds Kamala Harris after NYC upset
https://www.rawstory.com/bernie-sanders-2672436341/

Sanders championed Mamdani’s campaign and argued that, were Harris to have run a similar campaign, she wouldn’t have lost.

“To run a brilliant campaign, you have to run a grassroots campaign, so instead of taking money from billionaires and putting stupid ads on television, which the people increasingly do not pay attention to, you mobilize thousands and thousands of people around the progressive agenda that speaks to the needs of working-class people and you go out and you knock on doors,” Sanders said.

“And if somebody like a Kamala Harris had not listened to her consultants and done that, she would be president of the United States today.”

I seriously need him to SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!! He doesn't realize that every time he opens his mouth he is ALIENATING the Base of the Party.

Kamala Harris received 1,748,140 Votes in NYC in 2024.

There is ZERO reason to bring Kamala Harris up. To compare her to someone who had 1/100th of the challenges that she had is evil and against the Democratic Party Base - Black Women.

Sanders to me? He represents the 'White Male American 'Aristocracy'. He's had every door opened to him based on Gender and Race.

The GAME has ALWAYS been rigged in HIS FAVOR in Vermont. A black woman in Vermont on welfare would NEVER have won office.

Dear Independent Senator Sanders: We won't forget. Also - you are like 80 years old right? I hear talk about all of the 80 somethings being forced out of office. If it can be said about Pelosi - it can be said about you. Turn about is fair play. Now please, go verbally punch Trump and take VP Harris' name OUT'CHA mouth. Your words will echo and bounce around the Aunties (including myself) for DECADES.

Signed -
Democratic Committee Member and Elected Official in Hunterdon County NJ where that fucking message of Mamdani's will NEVER WIN amongst white racists!

PS - The enemy will use your words against us in 2026. This isn't the bell weather you think it is.

PSS - Sanders is an INDEPENDENT SENATOR IN VERMONT. NOT A DEMOCRATIC PARTY MEMBER. He's not supporting DEMOCRATS.

[snowybirdie]

1. Actions Never matched

his rhetoric

[brush]

27. Of all people. A two-time loser for the Dem nod is critiquing Harris...

who ran a near-flawless campaign which was hampered by Joe's late decision to not run after being hounded our because of his age.

The even older Bernie from a safe, blue state who never has to worry about his Senate seat, certainly needs to STFU.

[JustAnotherGen]

45. Amen!

Her number of votes in NYC should be why Mamdani leans into her for advice. She stomped Trump in NYC.

[electron_blue]

2. Exactly! and don't forget how Bernie sabotaged Hillary in 2016

by dragging out his concession to her campaign toward the end, pulling her down. Bernie has always had problems with his sexism and misogyny

[yardwork]

3. This is why Sanders doesn't win national elections.

Right here is why Sanders lost in the 2016 and 2020 primaries. He could take this opportunity to do some self reflection but he won't. His entire political career has been characterized by blaming others for not achieving his goals.

I agree with much of what Sanders says in his speeches. However, I've never voted for him because he's never been able to achieve the goals. It's because he blames others and doesn't work as part of a team, which is essential for getting things through Congress.

He's right that the Democratic Party needs to heed these recent elections and make substantive changes in our approach. He's right that we need to give people something to hope for, aspire to, a reason to vote for Democrats other than "look at Trump he's gross and crazy."

He may be right that the Harris campaign made mistakes BUT blaming Kamala Harris publicly is not helpful. She worked her ass off to turn around a bad situation that she was handed, through no fault of her own.

Sanders comes across as petulant and whiny. We need new leaders, strong leaders, inspiring leaders.

[JustAnotherGen]

6. This

We need new leaders, strong leaders, inspiring leaders.

I'm a dead center GenX. His behavior and my reaction is my typical cynicism.

He's like Corny (Cornel West). Their schtick doesn't speak to me on any level.

The Harris and Crockett language does.

I feel like he's having discussions about John Hughes films being the truest reflection of the 1980's but not acknowledging the impact of School Daze, Boyz in the Hood, and Lean on Me.

He doesn't get me and he never will.

[yardwork]

12. Clueless white entitlement. And sexism.

As a white woman I see it a lot. It's pervasive even among many people who consider themselves to be progressive. They still default to the white male mainstream point of view.

[JustAnotherGen]

16. Always

He didn't have a single word to say about Cuomo, Lander, Stringer, or Whitney Tilson?

That's some bullshit right there. At least he left Adrienne Adams and Jessica Ramos alone. That's a start at least.

Maybe he's just smart enough to know they can influence Mamdani's campaign? Ah but there it is -

They will use Adrienne Adams but when push comes to shove - they will shove her down.

With what I see amongst the 'leaders dear leaders' in waiting?

They aren't giving Black women a reason to vote in 2026. I'm watching the 92% on Threads and in some additional private spaces - and the reality is . . .

Our Grandmother's survive the middle passage, slavery, and Jim Crow. They've shifted our DNA. We can and will survive this regime. Others not so much.

[Cha]

47. Except that's what hs does.. Not

the First time.

[OC375]

4. Quarterback

Quarterback your own team. You have few victories but lots of advice on how to win.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357/report-card/2024

[stillcool]

20. what's really sad

is as with Donald, it is with Bernie. Nobody cares. It isn't what he does, it's what he says. Cheap talk sells.

[jrthin]

5. Thank you for this. It happens much too often.

[Ocelot II]

7. Bernie is stuck in the '60s, when there weren't any women or minority candidates in the major parties,

and his rhetoric still sounds exactly like it has for the last 50 years. And he's always been critical of other candidates who don't do things exactly his way; he was a shit to Hillary, too. It's especially unfair of him to bust on Kamala, who did what she could with the short time she had, and she did it brilliantly. Not to mention that a campaign to be mayor can't easily be compared to be a campaign to be president. You can do a lot of door-knocking and other direct outreach when you only have a city to campaign in, not a whole country. As an old person myself, I hate to say it, but in a lot of ways Bernie is as much of a fossil as the Democrats he criticizes.

[sheshe2]

8. He knows how to win!!!

Yet has never won outside of his very small, very white state.

Never!

[JustAnotherGen]

9. We had a 4 year respite

And he's back again.

I'm not an ageist - but he's helping to make the ageists' arguments to Black women.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

10. Gimme a break... Bernie represents Democratic principles as much as, if not more than, most Democrats!!

Bernie, with his consistent principled progressive populism, has shown us the way forward in defeating the Fascist-in-Chief and his rethuglyian henchmen. Those politicians willing to fight like hell, as Bernie has done for decades, e.g., AOC, are our best hope for a bright and prosperous future run by his fellow Democrats!!

It's time to stop already with the Bernie bashing!!

[JustAnotherGen]

11. No - I won't

POSTED IN THE AFRICAN AMERICAN GROUP IN RESPONSE TO A DISMISSAL OF BLACK AMERICAN WOMEN WHO ARE FED UP - ALSO I'M A GROUP HOST.

He needs to stop punching down at VP Harris.

When you punch at her - you punch at EVERY SINGLE BLACK WOMAN IN AMERICA.

So no - I won't give him a break. I wouldn't put up with this verbal abuse from my husband either.

This is your boy:
https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/05/22/bernie-sanders-podcast-identity-politics/

The veteran Vermont senator accused the “liberal elite” in America of using the inclusion of marginalised communities, such as Black or LGBTQ+ people, as a way to make issues seem difficult to understand.

“We get to this thing called ‘identity politics’, you’re Black, you’re tremendous, you’re wonderful. You’re gay, you’re the greatest thing on Earth, rather than say: what do you stand for?” the former Democrat, who now sits as an independent, said.

Never - and if you want us to vote for your Bros - here's an idea:

Your an anti-oligarch and that's your mantra and that makes you TREMENDOUS and WONDERFUL. But really - what's in it for me?

No seriously. All he's got is Prison Reform. What the FUCK does that have to do with my life? I don't have any family members that have been in prison - and it's VERY tiresome.

It's right up there with Trump saying "the blacks will like me because of my mug shot".

So much for rubbing my head for good luck Bro!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

13. ALL Bernie has is Prison Reform?! You can't be serious!!

[yardwork]

15. Reread her post.

She's saying that Sanders doesn't reach out to Black voters. Which of his policies address their priorities?

The poster is saying that it's an insult to act like prison reform is outreach to Black voters. It's an insult to assume that all Black voters care about prison reform. It's tone deaf.

[marble falls]

31. You are right, all she asking is to listen.

[JustAnotherGen]

17. You must be a white person

Are you? And if so- and you aren't willing to listen to Black voices in the African American group - why are you here?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

21. Of course I'm willing to listen... that's why I'm trying to have a civil conversation.

Bernie has long expoused the cause of civil rights for African Americans... WAY beyond prison reform.

What about the issue of income disparity?? Bernie deserves credit for leading the fight against it and other insidious forms of discrimination... for decades!!

Anyway, if I'm not welcome here to make what I thought were valid points, no problem... out of respect your forum, I will leave now.

Oh & BTW, one last thing to leave on a positive note: I would LOVE to have the opportunity to vote for Kamala for President again in 2028... she's terrific!!

[JustAnotherGen]

23. There is no winning on income disparity

The white majority won't allow it to be resolved.

And I don't ever recall him saying anything about it. The Congress Woman I interned and then worked for in the 1990's - SHE was the leader on it.

Her district included a large number of Black Americans . . . the little tiny woman from Kentucky who moved to Western NY?

She got us. She lived among us. She KNEW us.

Also I remember CLEARLY what the Bernie Bros did in the AfAm Group in the 2016 and 2020 Election. Clear as day. I was a group host then, and I'm one now. I can't be fooled.

I will never think like you because my experience of America is RADICALLY different than that of the average white male. It is what is.

[yardwork]

14. Responding to Sanders' bashing our presidential nominee is not "Bernie bashing."

This is exactly what Sanders and his followers don't understand. We don't win when we point fingers and cast blame. Sanders is doing that here. Pointing it out is not bashing.

[JustAnotherGen]

18. He's doing this deliberately

He can't stand not being centered in the discussion.

yardwork - there are ENTIRE discussions happening among the 92% and none of it is good for the Democratic Party.

[yardwork]

19. The Democratic Party is in big trouble.

That's easy for anybody to see. It doesn't take a political genius. The solutions are what's difficult to see.

I'm certain of one thing - we won't win when we engage in circular firing squads and continue to enable out of touch 80 year olds to keep doing the same old things. Sanders is doing his same old thing.

Sorry to be ageist. I'm on Medicare now so I include myself in the group of people who need to let the young people rise. We need to let more than just white people rise. We need to go back to fundamentals. That's why Trump won. He promised people lower prices, American jobs, and law and order. We can wring our hands and complain that Trump manufactured non-existent issues to run on, but that ignores the millions of people who really, truly want lower prices, American jobs, and law and order.

We ignore and mock this at our peril.

[JustAnotherGen]

22. Amen

Gas in my refinery state was $3.29 a gallon this morning, ShopRite's shelves are empty, Aldi's shelves are empty, and the reality is -

I own guns. I'm a Black dot in a red county. Ain't no way I'm trusting the Maga Pubs.

[marble falls]

30. I am aware of where I am. I maintain our personal safety accordingly. This is one Blue dot in Hot Red territory ...

... who maintains security in a robust way. I've had the police here because some nut case was on our property looking to shoot someone. We live right in the middle of town.

Actually had the cop in charge after I called them tell me that the first moron was armed and that if I confronted him, he could stand his ground. On my property. The second one who followed my on my property to let me how gay he thinks I am while keeping his right hand on the bulge in his pocket. After I pointed out the three cameras on him and telling him three times he was on private property and to get the fuck out, he left. My mother and my sister, who's also my lawyer were witnesses.

The greenway that goes past the back of our property and across the creek is being finished (after the city came on our property and cut down a tree thinking the city owned it. It took the cops to stop it. They had missed the city's property line by about 50 yards.

I've never lived anywhere that is so keen on taking down trees.

[Keepthesoulalive]

24. Girl

You are stepping in it. They are looking for heroes and saint Bernie is going to lead this country to the promised land and he has not authored one piece of legislation that has passed. David Hogg, Fetterman and whoever the latest flavor is. We are screwed because instead of voting for the candidate who can best lead this country they want to fall in love and see things that are not there.
When the person can’t deliver their fantasy, they refuse to vote and attempt to destroy that person.
Obama. We are in a lot of trouble, racists and sexists on one side and privileged if I don’t get my way I will sit it out on the other side.

[JustAnotherGen]

25. We have so much power though!

The track record of staying 'woke' after election is not that great in the progressive zone.

[Keepthesoulalive]

26. Most people who claim to be democrats

Are just people who give lip service to progressive or liberal ideals but they will not break a fingernail or do anything that makes them feel uncomfortable. We bite our tongues and watch everything we say for fear of being silenced. You are very brave to go against the man who is going to save America with a sermon about the moneyed class. He speaks for me, that’s about all he’s going to do for you.

[JustAnotherGen]

32. I was just listening to the Clay Cane show

When I went to pick up my salad.

He has AGAIN invited Mamdani to come on the show. He and Reecie Colbert and a few callers are really frustrated with Bernie.

Clay just said: Brother, hmmm if you want to reach Black voters in NYC and really have a deep conversation with them - don't listen to Bernie.

I really feel he is the new Black Eagle. Perfect person to pick up where Joe Madison left off.

[Keepthesoulalive]

34. I remember when Bernie went to south Bronx

St. Mary’s Park, I am very familiar with that area, it has not been gentrified .
That area has not seen that many white folks since the 1930’s. No black faces in the crowd. The news media twisted it to say he had black and Hispanic support.
Our memory of oppression is forever, we were not fooled by his bull.

[JustAnotherGen]

35. My husband lived on Gleason ave

from the time he was 4 to about 12/13. 1973 to 1982.

He found that campaign event stunt disgusting.

[Keepthesoulalive]

36. Jackson ave

St Mary’s Park Houses,escaped when I was 18.

[JustAnotherGen]

37. My In Laws

Deliberately chose the Bronx and in a more diverse area -

Because they didn't want their kids to miss the opportunity to live among people who are not exactly like them.

In Acri - they are all Calabrese.

On Gleason Ave - My mother-in-law learned how to cook soul food, Arroz Con Pollo, Quindum, and Poule in Sauce.

She brought Shepherds Pasta, Calabrese Grape Leaves and Lamb stew to the potluck.

When you live so close to people that you can't help but communicate, in a neighborhood of Black Americans, Puerto Rican Americans, and immigrants from Haiti, Brazil . . . you become lifelong friends.

All five of those kids are the people they are because their parents never wanted them to be comfortable, snobby, or think that the color of their skin should entitle them to anything - ANYWHERE in the world.

[Keepthesoulalive]

38. I left New York many years ago

You touch so many cultures and if you are open minded you can learn from them.I went to high school with kids from all over the world and many times they could be clannish. I am a food snob, I almost had a coronary when I tasted Pizza Hut and my kids were like their mama when it comes to different ethnic foods.

[JustAnotherGen]

39. My older Brother in Law

And sister in law completed High school in the Bronx, then he went to Columbia and she went to NYU. The rest of the family went home. My two younger in laws will tell anyone:

I'm from the BRONX - born there - and don't you forget it!

[marble falls]

29. So much power and they don't use their votes wisely.

[marble falls]

28. Bitter medicine to swallow, with great advantage to listening to. I didn't see the point until I read the OP ...

... and it is the sad truth.

Besides, Harris's campaign wasn't what sunk her. It was a lot of conservative and middle roader, usually Democratic voters who felt they were being ignored and voted for TACO because somehow they felt the Democratic Party was ignoring them for "minorities", which is code for women, PoC, LGBT and non Christians. And most importantly: they just stayed home.

Thanks for helping me see straight.

[JustAnotherGen]

33. He just doesn't need to be bringing her up

And he if DOES - it should be to say:

Zohran - she got 1.7 million votes in NYC last year. Find out how she did it.

NYC 2024 election night results
Harris (Democratic party): 1,623,623 votes, 62.88%
Trump (Republican): 734,063 votes, 28.43%
Trump (Conservative): 52,231 votes, 2.02%
Harris (Working Families): 124,517 votes, 4.82%
Write-in: 47,741 votes, 1.85%

New York City vote totals by candidate
Harris: 1,748,140 votes, 67.70%
Trump: 786,294 votes, 30.45%
Write-in: 47,741 votes, 1.85%
*The results are considered unoffici

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/new-york-city/new-york-city-2024-election-vote-totals/5959798/

She ran a progressive campaign. He leaves out the part that she was a Black Woman.

[4catsmom]

40. she ran a very positive campaign

but you old guys will never accept a powerful smart woman in charge

[murielm99]

41. Thank you for this thread.

I am not African American. I feel that if I post something like this thread, it will be deleted, or I will be banned for "bashing" St. Bernie.

[JustAnotherGen]

44. I'm not even bashing him

The Independent Senator from Vermont popped off at the mouth.

The Base of the party is sick of it. Karine Jean Pierre is the tip of the iceberg.

Hey - if Black.women are a problem for the Democratic Party - just say it out loud. What's the problem?

This regime will fall, it won't be a political fall, then let's see where the chips fall.

They've already lost Black Americans on the 2nd Amendment. Our gun ownership shot up beginning in 2020 - and those are only the registered ones.

From 2022 - and these aren't Sanders Vermont Hunters.
https://www.thecut.com/2022/02/rise-of-black-female-gun-owners.html

While they are talking about rising tides and income inequality - we are spending disposable income on guns and ammo. Even my sister is on the bandwagon now. She bought two last November. .

[Keepthesoulalive]

46. I hope she is taking classes

I’m too old to handle a magnum, it was sweet. But the instructor gave me valuable lessons on the precautions to take when using a gun. I told my husband if I fired a Magnum he would have to pick me up off the floor from the recoil.

[JustAnotherGen]

48. She joined one of my

Gun clubs. My husband was a tactical sharp shooter in the Italian Special Forces and he's helping. I taught her how to use her Savage 22. She didn't grow up with us so she dodged hunting and field dressing and survival training in Watertown and the Adirondacks. I'm jealous.

My dad was in the 1st class of Green Berets so I was raised to withstand and survive a
Russian or Chinese invasion.

I'm in a very red county in NJ. Elected official and Democratic Committee member. I've had racist violent screeds dropped in the mail slot of my front door prior to our cameras being set up, and regularly receive hate mail in my Council email. After the assassinations and attempted assassination in Minnesota a few weeks ago - I am hyper alert.

I don't think white leftists are TRULY understanding the danger Black Americans are in.

So let them worry about Oligarchs.

Us? It's the Red Summer (1919) until the Regime falls.

[lostincalifornia]

42. Thank-you for this OP. This was the same nonesense that was done in 2000, 2016, and 2024, but it is even

more disappointing with 2024 because our candidate was a well accomplished African American Woman.

This really cuts the cake. A white privileged MAN blaming a black woman for our loss, and ignoring those so-called progressives who refused to vote for VP Harris even though everyone KNEW what the stakes were.

The Supreme Court is gone for decades because of this foolishness.

[JustAnotherGen]

43. It's astonishing

But now I know . . . at 52 - there will never be a woman President in my lifetime.

I do worry that in the case of my 16 year old niece Eva - she thinks that door is shut. I think she's right. Maybe in 100 years?