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LiberalArkie

(19,234 posts)
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 10:00 AM Yesterday

New study shows Alzheimer's disease can be reversed to achieve full neurological recovery--not just prevented or slowed--i

December 23, 2025

For more than a century, people have considered Alzheimer's disease (AD) an irreversible illness. Consequently, research has focused on preventing or slowing it, rather than recovery. Despite billions of dollars spent on decades of research, there has never been a clinical trial of any drug to reverse and recover from AD.

A research team from Case Western Reserve University, University Hospitals (UH) and the Louis Stokes Cleveland VA Medical Center has now challenged this long-held dogma in the field, testing whether brains already badly afflicted with advanced AD could recover.

The study, led by Kalyani Chaubey, from the Pieper Laboratory, was published online Dec. 22 in Cell Reports Medicine. Using diverse preclinical mouse models and analysis of human AD brains, the team showed that the brain’s failure to maintain normal levels of a central cellular energy molecule, NAD+, is a major driver of AD, and that maintaining proper NAD+ balance can prevent and even reverse the disease.

NAD+ levels decline naturally across the body, including the brain, as people age. Without proper NAD+ balance, cells eventually become unable to execute many of the critical processes required for proper functioning and survival. In this study, the team showed that the decline in NAD+ is even more severe in the brains of people with AD, and that this same phenomenon also occurs in mouse models of the disease.

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https://case.edu/news/new-study-shows-alzheimers-disease-can-be-reversed-achieve-full-neurological-recovery-not-just-prevented-or-slowed-animal-models

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New study shows Alzheimer's disease can be reversed to achieve full neurological recovery--not just prevented or slowed--i (Original Post) LiberalArkie Yesterday OP
So after all this time, nutritional supplements are available hiding in plain sight bucolic_frolic Yesterday #1
This study uses a drug, P7C3-A20 KLK1972 Yesterday #3
So this means COL Mustard Yesterday #23
So How Do We Regenerate NDA+ Rendville Yesterday #2
Exercise is the best method KLK1972 Yesterday #7
How much exercise and what kind? Irish_Dem Yesterday #10
Okay ananda Yesterday #21
Maybe both weight lifting and cardio create the NDA? Irish_Dem Yesterday #26
Maybe ananda Yesterday #30
Yes. And if it loads on anti-dementia, all the better. Irish_Dem Yesterday #31
with supplements - Nigrum Cattus Yesterday #8
One study of mice does not equal a cure for humans Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #4
Yes... with my qualifiers below... hlthe2b Yesterday #6
Remarkable claims of a cure need to be backed up by remarkable evidence. Any breakthrough is welcome, even if it Martin68 Yesterday #13
Yes! Not that this isn't very interesting, and fully deserving of discussion stopdiggin Yesterday #19
Always encouraging. One preliminary caution though, these studies most often enroll confirmed AD patients hlthe2b Yesterday #5
Click-bait headline. TheRickles Yesterday #9
So the dead brain cells grow back? Progressive dog Yesterday #11
Who knows.. I remember that when a nerve was cut, like in an accident, that it would never - ever reconnect. That LiberalArkie Yesterday #12
Creatine being studied now GreatGazoo Yesterday #14
I have some but forget to take it multigraincracker Yesterday #17
I started it 3 months ago for better sleep GreatGazoo Yesterday #20
What kind? Sleep is one thing I really miss. LiberalArkie Yesterday #33
For me the effect was better quality of sleep GreatGazoo Yesterday #35
Thank you, I will order some and give it a whirl.. LiberalArkie Yesterday #36
When are you taking it? at Night? LiberalArkie 25 min ago #38
"nearly statistically significant" equals "not significant". Sorry - maybe someday, but not yet. TheRickles Yesterday #25
Encouraging! Sogo Yesterday #15
Time for RFK jr to step in and stop this witchcraft! progressoid Yesterday #16
There's no better time in history to be a mouse! tinrobot Yesterday #18
Promising early days snowybirdie Yesterday #22
TikTok scammers will run with this wolfie001 Yesterday #24
In almost every case, these "breakthrough" posts raise false hopes. This is true for almost every University news... NNadir Yesterday #27
RFK Jr doesn't want people living longer. Irish_Dem Yesterday #28
Three to five years from Type one diabetes cure since 1987....When my 6yr old's test was positive. IA8IT Yesterday #29
If this story were true it would be all over every news service in the world. So yes - I'm skeptical. flashman13 Yesterday #32
LiberalArkie .......... Upthevibe Yesterday #34
In mice! The results are in bloody mice! As a famous oncologist once told me, wackadoo wabbit 14 hrs ago #37

bucolic_frolic

(53,897 posts)
1. So after all this time, nutritional supplements are available hiding in plain sight
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 10:12 AM
Yesterday

Nice that medicine advances.

Google "how to get more nad+"

It's all there.

KLK1972

(14 posts)
3. This study uses a drug, P7C3-A20
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 10:20 AM
Yesterday

OTC NAD+ at therapeutic levels (high enough to produce this effect) promotes cancer. Also important to note, this is a preclinical trial, without human testing yet. It is a promising first step though!

Rendville

(158 posts)
2. So How Do We Regenerate NDA+
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 10:13 AM
Yesterday

NAD+
What helps regeneration? A specific diet regime? Yoga/Tai Chi? Walking? Meditation?
Raw Juicing?

KLK1972

(14 posts)
7. Exercise is the best method
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 10:25 AM
Yesterday

Exercise activates an enzyme that stimulates NAD+ recycling. Sleep is also important! Supplements are not recommended.

ananda

(34,335 posts)
21. Okay
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 12:35 PM
Yesterday

From what i've read, at least 6 hours a night.

Also, I suspect any amount of exercise would do.

Enough to strengthen the core and the glutes
which helps stability and prevents falls...

and enough for cardiovascular strength and
circulation.

Fiendish Thingy

(21,913 posts)
4. One study of mice does not equal a cure for humans
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 10:21 AM
Yesterday

Let’s see a double blind controlled study with Alzheimer’s patients before we pop the cork on the champagne.

Martin68

(26,991 posts)
13. Remarkable claims of a cure need to be backed up by remarkable evidence. Any breakthrough is welcome, even if it
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 11:51 AM
Yesterday

merely slows down or ameliorates the degenerative process, but an outright "cure" based on the production of one molecule sounds dubious to me.

stopdiggin

(14,968 posts)
19. Yes! Not that this isn't very interesting, and fully deserving of discussion
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 12:21 PM
Yesterday

but the claims of 'full functioning reversal' - are completely over-wrought - i.e. unfounded.

and that deserves being knocked back a step.

hlthe2b

(112,708 posts)
5. Always encouraging. One preliminary caution though, these studies most often enroll confirmed AD patients
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 10:25 AM
Yesterday

and non-AD control comparisons with very strict exclusion criteria so as to avoid confounding factors, like cerebral vascular disease, moderate to severe cardiac insufficiency or other chronic health conditions that likewise influence brain function and thus response to NAD+ in their study. While a healthy population (especially those with early onset Alzheimer's) is out there and likewise in need of interventions, it may be difficult to extrapolate these findings--even with further validation--to the majority of AD patients (or those identified to be most at risk), depending on how well and how early their concomitant additional health issues are identified and treated.

Still, a positive development that bears watching once human studies become available (while taking the qualifiers above into account).

TheRickles

(3,140 posts)
9. Click-bait headline.
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 11:25 AM
Yesterday

It's a promising development, but nowhere near the implied reversal of Alzheimers (as other commenters have also noted).

Progressive dog

(7,569 posts)
11. So the dead brain cells grow back?
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 11:29 AM
Yesterday

I recently read a Scientific American article on how Alzheimer's might be due to slowed clearing of waste from the brain.
There are a lot of new theories trying to explain why getting rid of the amyloid plaques of Alzheimer's does not reverse the disease or even halt it's progression substantially.

LiberalArkie

(19,234 posts)
12. Who knows.. I remember that when a nerve was cut, like in an accident, that it would never - ever reconnect. That
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 11:47 AM
Yesterday

anything below that nerve was gone. That the muscle or feeling would never return.

GreatGazoo

(4,436 posts)
14. Creatine being studied now
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 11:58 AM
Yesterday

Dirt cheap, heavily tested and used.

They saw a moderate improvement in working memory, which is task-oriented memory Taylor likened to the memory required for the classic card-matching game Concentration. Participants also demonstrated a moderate boost in executive functioning, another cognitive domain highly affected by Alzheimer’s disease that includes a person’s ability to focus and ignore distractions. “That tends to change in Alzheimer's disease as people progress,” Taylor said. “And we saw what we could call nearly statistically significant improvement in that. They got better at it.”


https://www.kumc.edu/about/news/news-archive/creatine-alzheimers-research.html

multigraincracker

(36,890 posts)
17. I have some but forget to take it
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 12:12 PM
Yesterday

Helps with depression too. Been studied for over 50 years. Not so good for those with kidney disease.

GreatGazoo

(4,436 posts)
20. I started it 3 months ago for better sleep
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 12:32 PM
Yesterday

after I saw the studies about jet lag and creatine. It worked right away for me. Life changing because I have had sleep issues that made me foggy in the morning.

I do the compressed pills, 3-gram. Makes it easy to carry and be consistent.

TheRickles

(3,140 posts)
25. "nearly statistically significant" equals "not significant". Sorry - maybe someday, but not yet.
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 01:05 PM
Yesterday

tinrobot

(11,943 posts)
18. There's no better time in history to be a mouse!
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 12:13 PM
Yesterday

Hopefully, they can replicate this in humans.

Until they do, let's not get too excited.

snowybirdie

(6,552 posts)
22. Promising early days
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 12:39 PM
Yesterday

Maybe some day.........What is available is problematic. Who is aware that the two drugs to slow ALZ, , kisunla and Lequembi, have serious side effects such as brain bleed and stroke? And improvement is only 25-30%? I cringe seeing them now heavily promoted on tv with the downside not really mentioned except said quickly without anyone understanding at the end of the commercial.

wolfie001

(7,038 posts)
24. TikTok scammers will run with this
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 12:51 PM
Yesterday

More "Green Powder Elixirs" in a glass of water every am incoming. $50 for a month's supply.
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P.S.- I know the quote hasn't been proven to ever be said by PT so no need to elucidate that.

NNadir

(37,241 posts)
27. In almost every case, these "breakthrough" posts raise false hopes. This is true for almost every University news...
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 01:15 PM
Yesterday

...release, notably in medicine, but widely found with respect to energy "breakthroughs."

Alzheimer's is a very tragic disease, and regrettably, its history is littered with scientific announcements of "breakthroughs" that have not panned out.

In at least one case - and I'm not implying this is the case here - a "breakthrough" was found to consist entirely of scientific fraud.

It is very difficult to ascertain what behaviors in a mouse display "full recovery."

I covered this case elsewhere here; books have been written on it.

Some remarks on purported fraud concerned with αβ oligomer hypothesis in Alzheimer's research.

There has been some criticism of the tone of Charles Piller's article in Science, as well as his book expanding on the article, Doctored Fraud, Arrogance, and Tragedy in the Quest to Cure Alzheimer's

Criticism by an Alzheimer's researcher of Piller's book and claims can be found here: Fraud, arrogance, and tragedy: the case of Doctored

Alzheimer's is a terrible and generally intractable disease; as a scientist, I certainly applaud research. I am too old though, and have lived too long, to jump up and down with joy every time a "breakthrough" is announced. I have worked for much of my life in support of drug development and am aware of pitfalls - huge pitfalls - that occur along the way to medical treatments. This is not to say that some them don't work; obviously they do, but the road is long, painful, and littered with failure.

IA8IT

(6,335 posts)
29. Three to five years from Type one diabetes cure since 1987....When my 6yr old's test was positive.
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 02:01 PM
Yesterday

Zero faith a cure will be found when treatment is so profitable.

flashman13

(1,981 posts)
32. If this story were true it would be all over every news service in the world. So yes - I'm skeptical.
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 02:17 PM
Yesterday

Upthevibe

(10,008 posts)
34. LiberalArkie ..........
Mon Dec 29, 2025, 02:34 PM
Yesterday

Thanks for your post.

I just started taking Creatine a few weeks ago as recommended by two of my good friends. Since June, I've lost 40-50 lbs! I've been taking the weight loss injections (Zepbound) off and on, and it's been amazing. I've completely changed what I eat, and I go to the gym about five days a week.

Exercise/working out is everything people say it is! I feel great afterwards and basically most of the time. I'm hearing more and more that it also helps with cognition.

Thanks again!

wackadoo wabbit

(1,278 posts)
37. In mice! The results are in bloody mice! As a famous oncologist once told me,
Tue Dec 30, 2025, 03:56 AM
14 hrs ago

"We've cured cancer hundreds of times . . . in mice." And he was right. Unfortunately, my husband later died of the cancer that that oncologist was a world-class expert of.

So forgive me if I say, get back to me when there are positive human trials. Until then, this means bupkis.

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