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groundloop

(14,017 posts)
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 07:58 AM 16 hrs ago

Man fatally shot in Walmart parking lot following dispute over parking space: Authorities

Source: ABC News

A man was shot and killed in the parking lot of a Walmart in Florida following a dispute over a parking space, according to authorities.

The woman who pulled the trigger is claiming self-defense, according to the Broward County Sheriff's Office, which is investigating the shooting.

[....]

"The preliminary investigation revealed an adult female and the victim were involved in a verbal altercation over a parking space in the Walmart parking lot prior to the shooting," the Broward County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

"According to investigators, the shooter, the adult female, remained on scene, cooperated with detectives and she told them the shooting was in self-defense," the statement continued.

Read more: https://abcnews.com/US/man-fatally-shot-walmart-parking-lot-dispute-parking/story?id=134422575

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Man fatally shot in Walmart parking lot following dispute over parking space: Authorities (Original Post) groundloop 16 hrs ago OP
Good news for her. Now, she'll have her own, permanent parking space. 3Hotdogs 16 hrs ago #1
His parking spot will be in an urn over the fireplace wolfie001 14 hrs ago #16
Oofff Hassin Bin Sober 6 hrs ago #87
Ah, America. Where the answer to every problem is a gun. sinkingfeeling 16 hrs ago #2
It was a middle aged Black woman angrychair 11 hrs ago #35
it would SEEM you are correct but.... democratsruletheday 11 hrs ago #38
Why didn't she get in her car or walk into the store? I don't accept killing a person when there were other solutions. sinkingfeeling 11 hrs ago #39
What I saw was him closing the distance to her Kaleva 11 hrs ago #42
She initially got out of the car with a gun in her hand. That might be a problem for her. Hassin Bin Sober 5 hrs ago #94
Time will tell Kaleva 4 hrs ago #107
She tried angrychair 11 hrs ago #45
Retail stores have parking adequate for the holiday shopping season Blumancru 16 hrs ago #3
There's more to the story than this. flvegan 16 hrs ago #4
"Around the parking lot?" ... JustABozoOnThisBus 15 hrs ago #5
Testosterone poisoning? Miguelito Loveless 15 hrs ago #7
From the video, she appears to be a Woman of Color, that wish is going to be hard to get in Fla irisblue 14 hrs ago #18
Yes, she warned him several times, backed away from him again and again, tried to put cars between them. Midnight Writer 14 hrs ago #22
100%. and Thank You! (for putting some realistic perspective on this incident) stopdiggin 13 hrs ago #29
Wow what a nasty take. Wiz Imp 13 hrs ago #23
nah. asshat really brought this on himself. stopdiggin 13 hrs ago #30
She did more than most would angrychair 11 hrs ago #36
It looked like a clear case of self defense to me Kaleva 11 hrs ago #43
Wow. Unbelievable. Wiz Imp 11 hrs ago #44
If the guy was rational, he would have retreated the moment he saw the Gun Kaleva 11 hrs ago #50
and called for cops to arrest her for threatening him muriel_volestrangler 9 hrs ago #62
No one in their right mind would approach someone with a gun Kaleva 4 hrs ago #104
It's a stand your ground state. NutmegYankee 10 hrs ago #54
SOmething was also seriously wrong with that woman. Wiz Imp 10 hrs ago #56
A jury will have to consider what he said prior, if anything, to advancing toward her. LudwigPastorius 10 hrs ago #57
100% agree bluestarone 6 hrs ago #74
As a whole, we ARE a disappointing species. There good people among us but I fear we are in societal collapse. OrlandoDem2 14 hrs ago #11
Listen to the news story. Wiz Imp 13 hrs ago #26
That isn't the whole story angrychair 11 hrs ago #37
stop making sense.... democratsruletheday 11 hrs ago #40
People should be nicer to one another. twodogsbarking 15 hrs ago #6
Don't wanna make it about me but as a 66 yo white male..... wolfie001 14 hrs ago #15
It looks like he was stalking her but she should have retreated to her car and not brandished the gun. Ritabert 15 hrs ago #8
Stop shopping at Walmart. So many People of Walmart suck! OrlandoDem2 14 hrs ago #9
He seemed intent on a physical confrontation, despite her pointing a gun 70sEraVet 14 hrs ago #10
+1. dalton99a 14 hrs ago #19
maybe it's the "Exception that Proves the Rule" Hieronymus Phact 13 hrs ago #28
Plus 2 bluestarone 6 hrs ago #75
I'm Sorry, But She Had Ample Opportunities to Return to the Store, Drive Off, Whatever DrFunkenstein 14 hrs ago #12
She tried angrychair 11 hrs ago #41
I didn't see in the video where he was preventing her from driving off MichMan 11 hrs ago #46
In Florida that's legal angrychair 11 hrs ago #51
I noticed MorbidButterflyTat 8 hrs ago #67
Old loser white guy kept on wolfie001 14 hrs ago #13
I am guessing that there is a backstory here, and not a pretty one. niyad 14 hrs ago #14
If This Was a Black Man and a White Woman, Imagine the Fox News Coverage and Campaign Ads DrFunkenstein 14 hrs ago #17
This could go either way NewEnglandAutumn 14 hrs ago #20
It was an argument over a parking spot. sop 14 hrs ago #21
If the guy was rational, he would have backed off as soon as he saw the gun Kaleva 11 hrs ago #47
Those are a lot of assumptions to justify shooting a man to death in a parking lot. sop 10 hrs ago #55
I certainly didn't see anything in the video that justified a shooting. NT Midwestern Democrat 11 hrs ago #48
Floriduh. SergeStorms 13 hrs ago #24
She didn't have to kill him, that's how the jury would see it FakeNoose 13 hrs ago #25
People are touchy these days. ananda 13 hrs ago #27
This is the Supreme Court's America J_William_Ryan 12 hrs ago #31
Had he the brains to back up & call the police saying a woman was threatening him with a gun, Wonder Why 12 hrs ago #32
I'm Pretty Sure Everyone Here Was Operating From The Amygdala, Except One Had a Handgun DrFunkenstein 11 hrs ago #34
Clearly angrychair 10 hrs ago #53
Why did she exit her car brandishing the gun instead of just driving away? MichMan 12 hrs ago #33
By law, she isn't required to drive away Kaleva 11 hrs ago #49
She isn't required to shoot and kill either MichMan 9 hrs ago #60
larger male repeatedly physically advancing on female that is (repeatedly) stopdiggin 7 hrs ago #71
Based on what I saw, I'd say her actions were resonable Kaleva 4 hrs ago #105
Some of these responses are disturbing angrychair 10 hrs ago #52
Why does race have to be a factor? MichMan 9 hrs ago #58
Why does gender have to be a factor? MorbidButterflyTat 8 hrs ago #69
Why should race be ignored? Torchlight 8 hrs ago #70
Because, it always about skin color angrychair 7 hrs ago #72
"People haven't even seen the video" MichMan 5 hrs ago #95
I'm not assuming anything angrychair 5 hrs ago #96
We have video; he was not in a position to physically threaten her muriel_volestrangler 9 hrs ago #61
Interesting angrychair 6 hrs ago #73
I might put it as "the unarmed person didn't do anything wrong or threatening" muriel_volestrangler 6 hrs ago #76
Then the unarmed man angrychair 6 hrs ago #79
I don't see "might is right" as a good guiding principle muriel_volestrangler 6 hrs ago #81
No angrychair 6 hrs ago #86
'Malice'? No. Recklessness, yes. muriel_volestrangler 6 hrs ago #88
We are done angrychair 5 hrs ago #90
"Victim blaming"? I'm not blaming the victim. The victim is the dead guy. muriel_volestrangler 5 hrs ago #91
sorry, I see her as a gun humper Skittles 4 hrs ago #102
Sorry angrychair 4 hrs ago #103
SHE could have driven away too Skittles 4 hrs ago #106
He was the aggressor angrychair 3 hrs ago #108
That's just stupid. I can't imagine shooting someone over a parking space. Vinca 9 hrs ago #59
I am not to say this was justified or not, but I have a question sarisataka 9 hrs ago #63
He should have MichMan 9 hrs ago #64
So she is just supposed to stand there angrychair 6 hrs ago #77
You see an "attack"; I see an argument muriel_volestrangler 6 hrs ago #78
I see centerists angrychair 6 hrs ago #82
As I said, I really don't understand where "centrists" come into this muriel_volestrangler 6 hrs ago #83
No angrychair 6 hrs ago #89
Very few people deserve to be killed sarisataka 6 hrs ago #84
Bottom line, stupidity got him killed. Buddyzbuddy 9 hrs ago #65
"That's an entitled man that was used to scaring other people into doing what he wanted." MorbidButterflyTat 8 hrs ago #68
Leave it to judge and jury. Sneederbunk 8 hrs ago #66
Black woman, white older man csusan 6 hrs ago #80
Having been right is poor consolation when you're dead or in prison. RockRaven 6 hrs ago #85
In MN, she'd be incarcerated, whatever her story, because she didn't physically run away first. OC375 5 hrs ago #92
MN has castle doctrine sarisataka 5 hrs ago #93
Castle doctrine in name only. OC375 5 hrs ago #97
Can you provide a case sarisataka 5 hrs ago #98
State vs Blevins 2024 OC375 5 hrs ago #99
Not in the home sarisataka 5 hrs ago #100
We'll have to see... OC375 4 hrs ago #101

3Hotdogs

(15,779 posts)
1. Good news for her. Now, she'll have her own, permanent parking space.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 08:14 AM
16 hrs ago

More good news for her. Florida has "Stand yer ground" protection for shooters. The parking spot was clearly supposed to be her ground.

angrychair

(12,587 posts)
35. It was a middle aged Black woman
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 01:13 PM
11 hrs ago

And a 60+ white male that would not leave her alone. She told him to back off multiple times and he kept harassing her. In the final moments she can be heard on video telling the guy to back off but he kept approaching so she shot him.

She tried a peaceful solution but the guy wasn't in the mood for a peaceful solution so he got dead.

sinkingfeeling

(58,287 posts)
39. Why didn't she get in her car or walk into the store? I don't accept killing a person when there were other solutions.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 01:29 PM
11 hrs ago

Kaleva

(40,492 posts)
42. What I saw was him closing the distance to her
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 01:32 PM
11 hrs ago

She was walking away from him but he kept walking towards her.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,573 posts)
94. She initially got out of the car with a gun in her hand. That might be a problem for her.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 07:05 PM
5 hrs ago

That and the fact she is a black woman in Florida who shit a white man. I give it 70% she gets charged

angrychair

(12,587 posts)
45. She tried
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 01:41 PM
11 hrs ago

He kept harassing her.

It's hard to tell in the video I've seen but someone said it looked as if when he came back he had partially blocked her in.
She tried to walk away and create space and vehicles between them but he kept coming at her.

She had repeatedly asked him to back off but he kept coming.

What if she had tried to go to the store? What if he chased her down and attacked her? What do you think the chances are that anyone is going to help her in a Florida Walmart parking lot?

He was overtly aggressive and wasn't taking no for an answer.

I'm very anti-gun and there is 17 years of posts on this site to prove that.

I also know there are exceptions to every rule. This is about as straightforward a self defense situation as you are ever going to get.

Blumancru

(406 posts)
3. Retail stores have parking adequate for the holiday shopping season
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 08:18 AM
16 hrs ago

So there were probably plenty of parking spaces. Was this really a good reason to die? Or kill someone?
This seems exceptionally violent and stupid……but Florida strikes again

flvegan

(66,696 posts)
4. There's more to the story than this.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 08:27 AM
16 hrs ago

"over a parking space" doesn't seem right. I'm assuming (from the pics) she got out of the Honda she's standing next to. There's an open space directly behind that Honda. In the first pic in the article, they're both standing in it (more or less). The article said that she was already parked prior to the first appearance of the gun, so they don't seem to be having some automotive parking standoff.

" The woman appears to be pointing a handgun at Diguglielmo with one hand and holding a cellphone in the other as they move around the parking lot." Around the parking lot? That's pretty vague.

I expect more info on this as the details are made public. Otherwise, generally, a shooting over a Walmart parking space makes us sound like a pretty fucking disappointing species as a whole.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,796 posts)
5. "Around the parking lot?" ...
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 08:53 AM
15 hrs ago

In the short video I saw, she had a gun, but was trying to defuse, trying to get him to back off. He was clearly the agressor, stalking her through the parked cars.

He brought a fist to a gunfight.

I hope she is cleared of charges.

Miguelito Loveless

(6,078 posts)
7. Testosterone poisoning?
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 09:23 AM
15 hrs ago

She a woman and doesn’t know how to use a gun, I am a man and will not be intimidated by a mere female?

irisblue

(38,243 posts)
18. From the video, she appears to be a Woman of Color, that wish is going to be hard to get in Fla
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 10:41 AM
14 hrs ago

Midnight Writer

(26,045 posts)
22. Yes, she warned him several times, backed away from him again and again, tried to put cars between them.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 10:50 AM
14 hrs ago

The fool kept coming after her. Was his intent to hurt her? I don't know why else he would not back off. If this was macho posturing then he went way too far with it. In either case, he was coming after her angrily, even after she pointed a gun at him, and she had no way of knowing his intention. He was clearly out of control.

Tragic, but he had every chance to walk away and go home safe. Over a parking space.

It is easy for us burly men to forget how vulnerable a woman is to an assault by a man. Some men exploit that vulnerability, using their size and strength to intimidate and control. It looked to me like she was afraid and he was angrily aggressive.

If it was me, I would have physically defended myself with my size and strength. She did not have that option.

Judging solely from the video, and not knowing what else was going on, I can't blame the woman for shooting. Perhaps she could have outrun the guy, perhaps not. But it is not her duty to take a beating or worse from a stranger who attacks her.

I'm not a legal scholar. This is just my opinion.

stopdiggin

(15,854 posts)
29. 100%. and Thank You! (for putting some realistic perspective on this incident)
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 11:25 AM
13 hrs ago

this guy simply would NOT leave it alone. Repeatedly stalking and advancing. He is, in the main, absolutely responsible for what happened here. And - real, real hard to label him 'victim'.

And - perhaps we should stop framing these incidents (when they occur) - as , "Man shot over parking space"
When that so poorly describes or elucidates ...

stopdiggin

(15,854 posts)
30. nah. asshat really brought this on himself.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 11:29 AM
13 hrs ago

perhaps the man doesn't deserve to be dead ... But let's stop painting asshats as 'victims'. Yeah?

Plenty of real victims and real tragedies out there to shed tears ....

angrychair

(12,587 posts)
36. She did more than most would
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 01:21 PM
11 hrs ago

To avoid a conflict. She actually tried to walk away but also didn't want to leave her car vulnerable to the guy either.

She repeatedly asked the guy to back off and he wouldn't.
She repeatedly tried to put space and other vehicles between them but he kept coming.

Especially in Florida, she more than meets the standard for a Stand Your Ground justified shooting.

I don't agree with gun violence but this is one of those rare incidents were it's completely justified.

Wiz Imp

(10,934 posts)
44. Wow. Unbelievable.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 01:41 PM
11 hrs ago

He had no weapon. He never came all that close to her. She could easily have gotten back in her car and drove off or retreated into the store. That's an extremely weird definition of self defense to me.

Kaleva

(40,492 posts)
50. If the guy was rational, he would have retreated the moment he saw the Gun
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 01:48 PM
11 hrs ago

The fact that he kept following her despite repeated warnings and the presence of the gun suggests to me he was capable of anything had he got close enough to the woman.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,946 posts)
62. and called for cops to arrest her for threatening him
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 03:27 PM
9 hrs ago

It doesn't say "capable of anything" to me; it says "he thought no one in their right mind would shoot someone over an argument about a parking spot".

Kaleva

(40,492 posts)
104. No one in their right mind would approach someone with a gun
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 08:46 PM
4 hrs ago

Most anyone that watches the news even just occasionally would know not to do that.

NutmegYankee

(16,488 posts)
54. It's a stand your ground state.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 01:55 PM
10 hrs ago

No duty to retreat. But logic says that if a woman has a gun out, you don't keep approaching. Something was seriously wrong with that man.

LudwigPastorius

(15,306 posts)
57. A jury will have to consider what he said prior, if anything, to advancing toward her.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 02:32 PM
10 hrs ago

If he threatened to kill her, and they believe the physical mismatch was such so that she feared for her life, then the shooting could be considered as justified.

OrlandoDem2

(3,263 posts)
11. As a whole, we ARE a disappointing species. There good people among us but I fear we are in societal collapse.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 09:59 AM
14 hrs ago

Wiz Imp

(10,934 posts)
26. Listen to the news story.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 11:10 AM
13 hrs ago

He intentionally partially blocked a space, got out of his car and went inside. She squeezed her car in anyway (you caan see her car is way over to the edge of the spot, possibly even crossing the line to the next spot. ) He came out of the store, then moved his car. Then eventually walked toward her. Nothing more to it. She was mad that he intentionaly tried blocking her from parking in a space. He was mad that she had the audacity to talk back to him. Standard road rage confrontation in a parking lot. He seems to be a giant asshole. However, nothing justifies her murdering him.

angrychair

(12,587 posts)
37. That isn't the whole story
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 01:24 PM
11 hrs ago

And if you knew that much detail on how it started you know that

She repeatedly tried to create space between them. She repeatedly told him to back away.

He kept coming at her.

Women have the right to self defense.

She was also the one that called police and is fully cooperating with them.

wolfie001

(8,247 posts)
15. Don't wanna make it about me but as a 66 yo white male.....
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 10:22 AM
14 hrs ago

....I specifically say to myself, "Just be nice" before driving off to grocery shop, pick up meds, go see a doctor, visit family. Regular ritual.

Ritabert

(2,867 posts)
8. It looks like he was stalking her but she should have retreated to her car and not brandished the gun.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 09:47 AM
15 hrs ago

70sEraVet

(5,778 posts)
10. He seemed intent on a physical confrontation, despite her pointing a gun
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 09:58 AM
14 hrs ago

If she didn't have that gun, it may well have been her body lying in the morgue (he looked to be a pretty good-sized man).
I am usually against the stand-your-ground laws, but she continually backed away and he wouldn't stop.

Hieronymus Phact

(787 posts)
28. maybe it's the "Exception that Proves the Rule"
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 11:19 AM
13 hrs ago

I didn't watch the video, so not making judgements.

DrFunkenstein

(8,947 posts)
12. I'm Sorry, But She Had Ample Opportunities to Return to the Store, Drive Off, Whatever
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 10:09 AM
14 hrs ago

I don't doubt that this guy was horrible, abusive, you name it. But she could have taken many, many options before fatally shooting him. Just getting out of the car with the pistol in her hand was already an issue.

angrychair

(12,587 posts)
41. She tried
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 01:32 PM
11 hrs ago

And he had driven off but then came back and engaged with her.

She repeatedly tried to put space between them and repeatedly asked him to back off and leave her alone.

I'm very anti-gun and my posts for almost 18 years on this website supports that.

I also realize that people have a right to defend themselves as a last resort.

She is under no obligation to retreat as she is not the one being aggressive.

If I hadn't seen the video I would think as you but she tried to end it peacefully and the guy wasn't having it

MichMan

(17,689 posts)
46. I didn't see in the video where he was preventing her from driving off
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 01:41 PM
11 hrs ago

She chose not to and exited the car holding the gun.

It doesn't appear like she had already been carrying it on her person, but went to the car to get it.

angrychair

(12,587 posts)
51. In Florida that's legal
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 01:50 PM
11 hrs ago

But I honestly don't know if she went back to her car or not. The video I saw started with her already holding the gun.
That she repeatedly tried to deescalate the situation is very clear in the video.
It was clearly not her intent to shoot him from the video.

I find it telling that a lot of people on here are putting the blame on the Black woman and saying nothing about what the man was doing.

That ignorant asshole literally started to drive away and came back to harass her but somehow it's her fault?!?

Sometimes I wonder why I stay on this site, even here the old white man is always blameless

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,986 posts)
67. I noticed
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 04:09 PM
8 hrs ago

"...a lot of people on here are putting the blame on the Black woman and saying nothing about what the man was doing," too.



wolfie001

(8,247 posts)
13. Old loser white guy kept on
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 10:19 AM
14 hrs ago

He should've walked away but kept pursuing her. What a fucking idiot. Def stood her ground!

niyad

(135,554 posts)
14. I am guessing that there is a backstory here, and not a pretty one.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 10:21 AM
14 hrs ago

Also notice that while she is clearly shown, the man's face is blocked out. Black woman/ white guy? It wiill be interestiing to see how this goes.

DrFunkenstein

(8,947 posts)
17. If This Was a Black Man and a White Woman, Imagine the Fox News Coverage and Campaign Ads
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 10:38 AM
14 hrs ago

Still, I'm sure the NRA will run with this anyway. And so the long national nightmare continues.

NewEnglandAutumn

(284 posts)
20. This could go either way
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 10:45 AM
14 hrs ago

She took out her gun early on in the encounter
In Florida race is always a factor

She was backing up and he kept going towards her
She warned him multiple times and he kept advancing
It is a stand your ground state

sop

(19,985 posts)
21. It was an argument over a parking spot.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 10:46 AM
14 hrs ago

I didn't see the guy physically threaten her, he just walked towards the woman. From what was shown on the video, the victim wasn't holding a knife, club or gun, he didn't attempt to hit or touch her, and he certainly didn't rush towards her in a threatening way just before she shot him.

A lot of people will say it was "stand your ground" and she was acting in self defense. From my view, they argued, he approached her, and she shot him because she was afraid. I don't see how this can be legally justified, but it is Florida.

Kaleva

(40,492 posts)
47. If the guy was rational, he would have backed off as soon as he saw the gun
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 01:41 PM
11 hrs ago

The fact that kept closing the distance despite repeated warnings and the presence of the gun, suggests to me that he was capable of anything had he got close enough to the woman.

sop

(19,985 posts)
55. Those are a lot of assumptions to justify shooting a man to death in a parking lot.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 02:03 PM
10 hrs ago

Florida’s "Stand Your Ground" law (Florida Statute 776.013) allows individuals "to use deadly force in self-defense without a duty to retreat if they are in a place they have a legal right to be and reasonably believe such force is necessary to prevent imminent death, great bodily harm, or the commission of a forcible felony."

Luckily, for most of us, the stand your ground law doesn't allow you to shoot someone in a parking lot simply for arguing over a parking spot, not immediately walking away when you brandish a gun, then walking towards you in an obviously unthreatening manner. I suppose she'll claim she "reasonably believed" she was in imminent danger of being killed or seriously injured, but the video evidence doesn't show that.

SergeStorms

(21,138 posts)
24. Floriduh.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 10:56 AM
13 hrs ago

Rapidly trying to overtake Texas as the most gun-happy lunatic asylum in the contiguous 48.

FakeNoose

(43,184 posts)
25. She didn't have to kill him, that's how the jury would see it
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 11:04 AM
13 hrs ago

Even if he did threaten her, she could have aimed his foot (or the ground in front of him) and achieved the same thing.

I'll never understand the "stand your ground" mentality but it has been argued and upheld in various court rulings. So this is where we are now.

It doesn't surprise me that no tourists (especially no Europeans) have an interest in visiting Floriduh any more.

ananda

(35,878 posts)
27. People are touchy these days.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 11:14 AM
13 hrs ago

A few days ago a man parked next to
my car, leaving his tail end sticking out.

I told him he wasn't parked right, and
he retorted, who make you the parking
boss?

Then i said, I'm worried you'll get hit
since you're car is sticking out. So then
he said, OK, and moved it forward.

He was a rich, elderly, crotchety guy
driving an old long type Mercedes.

J_William_Ryan

(3,679 posts)
31. This is the Supreme Court's America
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 12:05 PM
12 hrs ago

Guns for everyone – violence is a legitimate means of conflict resolution.

Wonder Why

(7,467 posts)
32. Had he the brains to back up & call the police saying a woman was threatening him with a gun,
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 12:25 PM
12 hrs ago

there would be an entirely different ending.

But then this is Florida.

DrFunkenstein

(8,947 posts)
34. I'm Pretty Sure Everyone Here Was Operating From The Amygdala, Except One Had a Handgun
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 01:10 PM
11 hrs ago

Don't think there was a lot of rational thinking happening, and honestly I doubt my rational brain would be working in the same situation. Plus, we don't know if there is any mental health issues going on here.

The main talking point here is why there was a handgun in the conversation.

Chekov once said, "If in the first act you have hung a pistol on the wall, then in the following one it should be fired. Otherwise don't put it there." Why was there a pistol "on the wall" here in the first place?

angrychair

(12,587 posts)
53. Clearly
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 01:55 PM
10 hrs ago

The white man harassing her had something to do with it.

I find it interesting that so many here are blaming the Black women but never even acknowledge that the white man could have just walked away and left her alone

It gives "but what was she wearing" vibes

MichMan

(17,689 posts)
33. Why did she exit her car brandishing the gun instead of just driving away?
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 12:42 PM
12 hrs ago

Undermines a self defense claim IMO

MichMan

(17,689 posts)
60. She isn't required to shoot and kill either
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 03:19 PM
9 hrs ago

Stand your ground is not absolute. Self defense is determined on what a reasonable person would have done. Ultimately if she is charged, a jury will have to make that determination. I would think that the availability of other options other than firing would play into that decision.

stopdiggin

(15,854 posts)
71. larger male repeatedly physically advancing on female that is (repeatedly)
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 05:13 PM
7 hrs ago

trying to create distance and (again repeatedly) asking that he stop.

I guess we'll (eventually) let a jury decide this. But (some of us at least) are not going to have great difficulty ...

Kaleva

(40,492 posts)
105. Based on what I saw, I'd say her actions were resonable
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 08:49 PM
4 hrs ago

And based on what I know about Florida law, I don’t think she’ll be charged but that’s just my opinion.

angrychair

(12,587 posts)
52. Some of these responses are disturbing
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 01:52 PM
10 hrs ago

I find it telling that a lot of people on here are putting the blame on the Black woman and saying nothing about what the old white man was doing.

That ignorant asshole literally started to drive away and came back to harass her but somehow it's her fault?!?

Way to many of these responses are giving "but what was she wearing" vibes.

Sometimes I wonder why I stay on this site, even here the old white man is always blameless

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,986 posts)
69. Why does gender have to be a factor?
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 04:19 PM
8 hrs ago

Because IT IS.

Wishing or pretending race and gender don't matter doesn't make it so.

angrychair

(12,587 posts)
72. Because, it always about skin color
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 05:51 PM
7 hrs ago

Even when people say

People haven't even seen the video and automatically lay blame at her feet and completely ignore, don't even mention, the actions of the old white man.

Very telling that only the actions of the Black woman get mentioned.

MichMan

(17,689 posts)
95. "People haven't even seen the video"
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 07:06 PM
5 hrs ago

You know that, how?

Quite ignorant to blindly assume anyone with a different viewpoint didn't watch it before commenting.

angrychair

(12,587 posts)
96. I'm not assuming anything
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 07:14 PM
5 hrs ago

Some have said themselves they haven't seen the video.

I'm done listening to victim blaming. I will not respond again. Move along and hope you have a great 4th of July weekend.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,946 posts)
61. We have video; he was not in a position to physically threaten her
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 03:23 PM
9 hrs ago

Maybe it's "the person who was not attacking, but who got killed, is blameless"? I don't think saying "I'll shoot you" is a good enough excuse for shooting someone.

angrychair

(12,587 posts)
73. Interesting
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 05:55 PM
6 hrs ago

That you saw the same video I saw, I assume, and your take away is the white man didn't do anything wrong or threatening.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,946 posts)
76. I might put it as "the unarmed person didn't do anything wrong or threatening"
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 06:01 PM
6 hrs ago

I'm surprised there is talk of him sitting up at first, after being shot, without a description of what anyone did to try and save his life. By the end, it looks like a police officer and the shooter are calmly talking over his dead body.

For the record, I thought George Zimmerman should have been convicted of killing Trayvon Martin. I suppose you might say that "equal Florida justice" here should mean this woman should go free too.

angrychair

(12,587 posts)
79. Then the unarmed man
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 06:08 PM
6 hrs ago

Should have left the armed women alone and moved along.
The best way to not get shot is to not be there in the first place.
He had left and she was trying to leave and he came back and engaged with her again.

Saying from my childhood comes to mind:
"Dont write checks your ass can't cash"

muriel_volestrangler

(106,946 posts)
81. I don't see "might is right" as a good guiding principle
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 06:12 PM
6 hrs ago

But if that is the way you want the USA to be, go for it. It's your fellow citizens who will end up dead, not mine.

angrychair

(12,587 posts)
86. No
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 06:38 PM
6 hrs ago

That man had every advantage over her: He was bigger. He was stronger. He was a man. He was cloaked in white privilege.

To imply she acted out of malice is exactly what Black people have been told their whole lives whenever they stand up to those attacking them.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,946 posts)
88. 'Malice'? No. Recklessness, yes.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 06:44 PM
6 hrs ago

The thing was, he wasn't attacking her. He was shouting at her. She was the threat to him; she had been pointing a gun at him for some time.

If a police officer saw them, do you think he should have shot the man first, or her? Or, just maybe, neither - and thus, she shouldn't have shot either?

muriel_volestrangler

(106,946 posts)
91. "Victim blaming"? I'm not blaming the victim. The victim is the dead guy.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 06:57 PM
5 hrs ago

I can't see where you're "listening to victim blaming".

Skittles

(173,735 posts)
102. sorry, I see her as a gun humper
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 07:58 PM
4 hrs ago

if she had missed and shot someone else what would you be saying?

these two assholes created an entirely avoidable situation

angrychair

(12,587 posts)
103. Sorry
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 08:26 PM
4 hrs ago

All he had to do was walk away. He had her car partly blocked in, she couldn't drive away.

Skittles

(173,735 posts)
106. SHE could have driven away too
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 08:50 PM
4 hrs ago

there are all sorts of crazy out there and there are BETTER WAYS to deal with them

over and OUT

angrychair

(12,587 posts)
108. He was the aggressor
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 08:56 PM
3 hrs ago

That so many run to defend an old white man harassing a Black woman shouldn't surprise me but I guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore

Vinca

(54,591 posts)
59. That's just stupid. I can't imagine shooting someone over a parking space.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 03:08 PM
9 hrs ago

If you feel threatened, get in the car and lock the doors. Call for help or drive to the store entrance and go in. It's Florida, though, so she'll probably get a medal.

sarisataka

(23,031 posts)
63. I am not to say this was justified or not, but I have a question
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 03:27 PM
9 hrs ago

To all who say the woman could have just walked away-

Why couldn't the man have walked away or stopped approaching?

angrychair

(12,587 posts)
77. So she is just supposed to stand there
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 06:03 PM
6 hrs ago

And let him attack her? She literally had a gun on him and repeatedly asked him to back off
Literally tried to put space and cars, between them and he kept coming.

Yet you people put the burden of retreat and withdrawal on her and not him.

Not one mention of his responsibility to retreat, only her.

More and more the reason so many people support centrists becomes clearer to me.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,946 posts)
78. You see an "attack"; I see an argument
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 06:07 PM
6 hrs ago

which she escalated by getting out of her car with a gun, and then pointing it at him.

I'm really not sure with side of "centrist" you see your 2nd Amendment on.

angrychair

(12,587 posts)
82. I see centerists
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 06:27 PM
6 hrs ago

Tired of explaining the same thing over and over again.

Believe what you want. No sense arguing when a mind has already decided.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,946 posts)
83. As I said, I really don't understand where "centrists" come into this
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 06:29 PM
6 hrs ago

Are you saying the left and right are both pro-2nd Amendment, Shoot the Unarmed Person types?

angrychair

(12,587 posts)
89. No
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 06:51 PM
6 hrs ago

What I'm saying is that centrists and Republicans are more likely to defend white males and more likely to blame women or Black people when they try to defend themselves against aggressive white males.

sarisataka

(23,031 posts)
84. Very few people deserve to be killed
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 06:32 PM
6 hrs ago

However, it is reasonable to assume someone who you have attempted to flee multiple times but keeps on approaching you, even himself having left and come back that it is a very small step from argument to physical harm.

Buddyzbuddy

(3,079 posts)
65. Bottom line, stupidity got him killed.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 03:47 PM
9 hrs ago

I hate guns and I'm skeptical of those that own them. They're used out of fear, anger, survival and ego. Licensing and ownership need to have stricter requirements.
I grew up around them, mostly illegal, had them pointed at me on many occasions, been shot at on a few occasions had several cousins and uncles killed and one paralyzed.

Having said this, I ask, was this man shot in the back? Was he on the phone with the police to call for help? Was he defending somebody else by placing his body in harms way?

She was in possession of a gun, legally or not. Stress point, parking spot. Really stupid reason. She's scared, maybe angry, he's definitely angry. He's bigger and likely stronger she has this "equalizer" which emboldens her. She thinks, I'm scared but this will scare him away.
He "thinks" WTF! I'm an entitled person and I fear no ***** person, especially holding a gun. I'll show you. He goes after the person holding the gun, not knowing if she's crazy, murderous or really scared and may shoot accidentally. Nobody in their right mind goes toward the shooter without a gun unless the threat is imminent. Not even LEO's would do that. It wasn't heroics it was STUPIDITY. Sure she was the shooter and that will be investigated but he will not celebrate another 4th of July because he was STUPID. That's an entitled man that was used to scaring other people into doing what he wanted. Sound familiar?

NO MORE GUNS

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,986 posts)
68. "That's an entitled man that was used to scaring other people into doing what he wanted."
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 04:16 PM
8 hrs ago

Exactly!

csusan

(123 posts)
80. Black woman, white older man
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 06:10 PM
6 hrs ago

Unless any of you are a black woman you really can't know the fear she might have been feeling. Can you imagine what it might have been like for her to have a white man walking toward even after she repeatedly asked him to back off. Black people and women in particular have good reason to be scared of an approaching white man who refuses to back off. She could not count on any other person in the parking lot to help her. I'm an older white woman and I had my SIL's brother get in my face and start cussing me and yelling. He was much bigger than me and it was terrifying. Being a white woman, I felt it was ok for me to stand my ground. There were a number of people standing around but none did anything. Black women do not have the same privilege that I have.

RockRaven

(20,115 posts)
85. Having been right is poor consolation when you're dead or in prison.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 06:32 PM
6 hrs ago

You may think you have a right to walk towards a person brandishing a firearm, but any such right does not mean you can do so safely.

And only a fool would count on the criminal justice system to fairly decide that you had acted correctly when it comes to killing someone.

OC375

(1,222 posts)
92. In MN, she'd be incarcerated, whatever her story, because she didn't physically run away first.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 07:00 PM
5 hrs ago

Here you must try to run away, even in your own home, even on public transit that's in motion, even if the other person has a weapon already out, pointed, and clearly states intent to kill you. You gotta try and book it, even if your wife is over there, and you are over here, and they're in between you two... tough luck, you're both on your own. Grow a pair and run separate directions.

You will be charged with 2nd Degree Assault (No Injury) if you draw without running first, even if you never fire a shot.. Even if the guy ultimately attacks you, and you get hurt, and he doesn't, you get charged. You're going to prison too.

Getting robbed or accosted is much worse on some states than others. She's luck she's in Florida in this instance.

I have no pity for bullies, robbers or opportunists who get smoked victimizing people, even if they are normally nice, or just getting their life together, or came from a bad home, or love puppies, or were just try to scare them, or whatever.

We have plenty of people already, and we'll get along fine with one less ash hole.

sarisataka

(23,031 posts)
93. MN has castle doctrine
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 07:05 PM
5 hrs ago

you do not have to flee in your home. While I am not a lawyer, her attempts to keep away from him would meet duty to retreat IMO.

OC375

(1,222 posts)
97. Castle doctrine in name only.
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 07:27 PM
5 hrs ago

You must try to evade, actively, within the home.

You can't shoot someone because they kicked in your door, and decided to start punching your wife or kid cause she done someone wrong or said something about someone. Duke it out, run away, whatever... grab a bat, or gun or anything useful, you're now the bad guy.

For that matter, if someone kicks in your door, grabs you by the shirt, and says gimme all your money or else... Well, you can't shoot them either, cause all they did grab and threaten you. Duke it out, run away, whatever... grab a bat, or gun or anything useful, you're now the bad guy.

No castle allows that.

sarisataka

(23,031 posts)
98. Can you provide a case
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 07:33 PM
5 hrs ago

where a person in their home was convicted for using lethal force to stop a physical assault against them in their home?

I have seen a few egregious prosecutions for self-defense but not within one's home.

sarisataka

(23,031 posts)
100. Not in the home
Fri Jul 3, 2026, 07:47 PM
5 hrs ago

There was a prosecution, Blevins found guilty of assault for failing to retreat from an alleged threat with a knife.
It did affirm duty to retreat {in public} rather than assumed stand your ground, but different standards apply within one's home.

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