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Polybius

(20,399 posts)
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 01:52 PM Jun 13

Fetterman on Israel: 'Keep wiping out Iranian leadership'

Source: The Hill

Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.) said Thursday he fully supported Israel’s attack on Iran and said it should “keep wiping out Iranian leadership” and its nuclear personnel.

“Our commitment to Israel must be absolute and I fully support this attack,” Fetterman wrote in a post on the social platform X late Thursday. “Keep wiping out Iranian leadership and the nuclear personnel. We must provide whatever is necessary—military, intelligence, weaponry—to fully back Israel in striking Iran.”

Fetterman has been a firm and vocal advocate for Israel, at times criticizing members of his own party on the topic. The issue came to the forefront after the Oct. 7, 2023, attack by Hamas on Israel, which led to the Gaza war.

Israel launched a major attack on Iran early Friday, hitting nuclear and missile sites in that country amid fears about Tehran’s advancing nuclear program. Israel has feared Iran gaining the capability to launch nuclear-armed ballistic missiles, and has vowed to not let that happen. Iran is now warning of a major retaliation.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5348719-fetterman-supports-israel-iran-attack/



His position on Israel's attack on Iran is actually to the right of Trump's. Let that sink in.
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Fetterman on Israel: 'Keep wiping out Iranian leadership' (Original Post) Polybius Jun 13 OP
Such a disappointment he is unweird Jun 13 #1
This old, brain-impaired, Dirty Sweatshirt needs to be thrown into the trash. Tarzanrock Jun 13 #2
I for one, support John Fetterman being deported to Israel. Balatro Jun 13 #3
Coming from PA...... Butterflylady Jun 13 #5
Another from PA harun Jun 13 #16
Pre stroke Fetterman is better than Post stroke Fetterman. SSJVegeta Jun 13 #4
Fetterboy is officially gone ! Nigrum Cattus Jun 13 #6
Beyond sad!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 13 #27
I wish this slob would just shut up Wifes husband Jun 13 #7
Fetterman's Not Going Anywhere ... PBC_Democrat Jun 13 #8
So, let me get this straight . . . Richard D Jun 13 #9
Compared to what? Israel's "ethnic cleansing" of the Palestinians in Gaza? Tarzanrock Jun 13 #10
Simple Richard D Jun 13 #11
Israel is under criminal indictment for "War Crimes" Tarzanrock Jun 13 #14
Yeah... Richard D Jun 13 #17
.... MarineCombatEngineer Jun 13 #18
Thank you Richard D Jun 13 #19
And it is so significant that . . . Richard D Jun 13 #20
That tells me that it's not that they don't want to help Iran stop Israel, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 13 #22
I heard... Richard D Jun 13 #33
Pretty sure his guilt is obvious. travelingthrulife Jun 14 #37
Israel is attacking Jordan? sarisataka Jun 13 #34
I support Palestine Avalon Sparks Jun 13 #23
Always with the strawman iemanja Jun 13 #31
That man is sick in the head. ananda Jun 13 #12
Fetterman you should resign you are brain damaged from those strokes. kimbutgar Jun 13 #13
YES and so should NetanYAHOO the war criminal!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 13 #28
Just War Criteria: mahina Jun 13 #15
Rawls is full of shit. His so-called 'just war' theory has been legitimately criticized and Tarzanrock Jun 13 #25
Augustine and Aquinus too? mahina Jun 13 #36
That's not what Aquinas and Augustine are talking about. Tarzanrock Jun 14 #39
I hope the PA Democrats are grooming his replacement. malthaussen Jun 13 #21
That is 100 on the 1-10 scale of hate Deminpenn Jun 13 #24
Who's winning? We aren't, and you aren't my friend. twodogsbarking Jun 13 #26
full-blown MAGA stillcool Jun 13 #29
I vote to recall his azz... if only that were possible!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 13 #30
No longer a Democrat Picaro Jun 13 #32
Shut Up Fetterman! BidenRocks Jun 13 #35
No doubt David Hogg was targeting Fetterman and was basically FIRED Bengus81 Jun 14 #38

Tarzanrock

(1,138 posts)
2. This old, brain-impaired, Dirty Sweatshirt needs to be thrown into the trash.
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 02:00 PM
Jun 13

Vote this Asshole out of office, Pennsylvania. Replace this fucking idiot with someone who is not brain-impaired.

 

Balatro

(51 posts)
3. I for one, support John Fetterman being deported to Israel.
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 02:15 PM
Jun 13

Then Penn can hold a special election or something.

Nigrum Cattus

(697 posts)
6. Fetterboy is officially gone !
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 02:36 PM
Jun 13

His health issues are clearly impeding his judgement.
Really sad for the U.S.

PBC_Democrat

(430 posts)
8. Fetterman's Not Going Anywhere ...
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 02:47 PM
Jun 13

The good democrats of PA selected him over Conor Lamb and then elected him DR Oz. With no recall possibility and the DNC being powerless - there is no way he is removed.

If, against all odds, we are able to make the '28 senate races closer we're going to need him.

An occasionally disappointing Democrat is better than a constantly disappointing Republican.

We need to find two or three people close to him that can serve as Fetterman-whisperers and, at least sometimes, reign him in.

Calls for to resign will just strengthen his resolve to stay.

Richard D

(9,997 posts)
9. So, let me get this straight . . .
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 03:04 PM
Jun 13

. . . you all support the Islamic Republic of Iran's leadership? Do you also support their brutal repression of Iranian Citizens, especially women?

I don't get it. Seems we should be happy at the thought of them being removed from the face of this earth.

Do you support an Islamist Iran with nuclear weapons?

Operation Rising Lion is for the Lion of Judah and for the Lion of the Iranian people

Tarzanrock

(1,138 posts)
10. Compared to what? Israel's "ethnic cleansing" of the Palestinians in Gaza?
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 03:15 PM
Jun 13

What about Israel's war mongering attacks on Syria; Lebanon; Jordan and other countries in the Middle East? When is that god damn aggression going to stop?

Tarzanrock

(1,138 posts)
14. Israel is under criminal indictment for "War Crimes"
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 03:41 PM
Jun 13

Netanyahu,the current Israeli Prime Minister, is under arrest warrant by the International Criminal Court (ICC). The warrant was issued on November 21, 2024, following an investigation into war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza. The ICC is investigating the alleged responsibility of Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare, and crimes against humanity, including murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts. The warrant against Netanyahu is the first against the leader of a Western-backed democratic country for war crimes.

Richard D

(9,997 posts)
17. Yeah...
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 04:03 PM
Jun 13

Indictments do not equate to guilt. We'll see. But that has nothing to do with the point I made.

The cognitive dissonance will be thick if the Islamic Republic is overthrown, or at least their nuclear weapons program is taken back to the stone age due to the acts by Israel.

The people of Iran are praying for an Israeli victory. We should join in that prayer.

MarineCombatEngineer

(15,846 posts)
18. ....
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 04:09 PM
Jun 13
The people of Iran are praying for an Israeli victory. We should join in that prayer.


Agreed, and I suspect that most of the other ME countries are silently praying for an Israeli victory.

Richard D

(9,997 posts)
19. Thank you
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 04:12 PM
Jun 13

And I know many are. Maybe even the people of Yemen.

Truth: Israel wins, or Iran wins. Who do we want, and vastly more importantly, who do the people of Iran want to win?

I hope people here who have it can put aside their Israel hate and recognize that it is very possible that the Lion of Judah and the Lion of the people of Iran are rewriting the Middle East in a way that may benefit generations.

Richard D

(9,997 posts)
20. And it is so significant that . . .
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 04:14 PM
Jun 13

. . . the former Iran Proxies of Hezbollah and Iraq (maybe more) have stated that they will not try to stop Israel.

MarineCombatEngineer

(15,846 posts)
22. That tells me that it's not that they don't want to help Iran stop Israel,
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 04:19 PM
Jun 13

it's that they can't stop Israel because of the significant damage Israel has done to the leadership of Hizbollah and HAMAs.

sarisataka

(21,794 posts)
34. Israel is attacking Jordan?
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 07:08 PM
Jun 13

Since when?

Jordan is one of the countries helping to defend Israel from Iran

iemanja

(56,189 posts)
31. Always with the strawman
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 05:53 PM
Jun 13

People don't want blow back on the US, and Iran is bound to hit American targets thanks to Israel. That is why every president for ages has resisted Israel's war mongering with Iran. American lives are at stake, and Israel's attack on Iran violates THIS country's national security interests. Do you care about that?

As for Fetterman, he is prioritizing Israel's national security interests over those of the US. That is not an acceptable position for an American politician. His duty is to America, not Israel.

ananda

(32,431 posts)
12. That man is sick in the head.
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 03:23 PM
Jun 13

Looks like his personality changed completely
after the stroke.

mahina

(19,877 posts)
15. Just War Criteria:
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 03:45 PM
Jun 13
https://www.thinkingfaith.org/articles/20131011_2.htm

Mr. Fetterman, right and wrong is not defined by your fear or your team favorites. Right and wrong is a more thoughtful thing, and doing that mental work includes reckoning with the truth that what we do to others is right for others to do to us. Think about that, please. I hope that someone reads it to Mr. Trump as well.

Just War Theory

Jus ad bellum

1. Wars must be fought only on legitimate authority. This criterion aimed to limit confl­icts by small-scale barons, captains and princelings, and is often treated as the sine qua non of Just War Theory. [4]

2. The cause must be just. The war must be fought, for example, in order to resist aggression, protect the innocent, or to support the rights of some oppressed group. There must be significant reasons which are weighty enough to overthrow the prima facie duty that we should not kill or injure others.

3. The war must have right intention. It must adva­nce the good and avoid evil, have clear aims and be open to negotiation; it must not be for revenge or for the sake of killing and there should be no ulterior mo­t­ive. It must be waged without love of violence, or cruelty; and regret or remorse should be the proper att­it­ude. This is shaped by the pursuit of a just cause. Sin­ce peace should be the object of war, killing is a means to that end. This condition also holds for jus in bello.

4. It must be a last resort, all other attempts having failed or being unavailable.

5. There must be a reasonable hope of justice, or a reasonable chance of success, in order to prevent poin­t­less wars. If there is no such hope, then it would not just be imprudent, but there would be no good grou­nds to override the prima facie obligation to not harm others if none of the just ends can be realised, and thus going to war would be immoral. [5]

Jus in bello

6. There must be discrimination. Non-combat­ants should not be directly or intentionally attacked, although it is recognised that there may be accidental casualties.

7. There must be proportion; that is, there must be a balance between the good achieved versus the harm done. This condition takes into account the eff­ects on all human beings, not just those on one side, and it is the effects on humans rather than other phys­ical damage which have priority. This condition also applies to jus ad bellum, in order to prevent going to war over minor disputes.

A just war, then, is not a war in which both sides act justly; in fact there cannot be such a war. For a war to be just, that war must be waged in order to right a wrong or to prevent an imminent injustice.

The Basis for Just War Theory
There is general acceptance that killing is, all things being equal, a grave wrong. John Rawls argues, for example, that we have a ‘natural duty’ which is owed to persons generally not to injure or harm others. [6] Christian theology derives the same obligation from the Decalogue and more generally from the norm of agape. [7] It is necessary then both to demonstrate that the prima facie obligation not to kill or injure others is overridden in the case of a just war and that the innocent [8] are not being directly killed.

The demands of justice are such a case. For example, outside the room in which I am writing there is a playground full of children. If someone came into the playground and started to attack the children and if I had a rifle by the desk, I would be justified in shoot­ing the assailant, even though I myself may not be at risk. The classical natural law of justice, which is view­ed as superior to the laws and demands of any State, sees all people as brothers and sisters who share in the cosmic logos and thus we are required to treat each other with the justice and respect owed to all. [9] Implicit is a concept of human solidarity, according to which we have mutual obligations and duties to all people. Roman law also involved contractual obligat­ions which entitled one to protect the rights of others and seek redress from those who cause the individual or State injury or harm.

Just War Theory is based on this classical view and from it the central concepts derive: that of the prior guilt of the offending party; and of just war as a means of vindicating violated rights or a violated order of justice, or as the means of restoring justice. However, the enemy’s natural rights must be protected since they are also humans and must be treated with justice and respect, even after hostilities have begun. Hence conduct in war must be just. [10]

The decision to go to war is not made simply on the basis of the enemy’s deeds, for example being unjust or violating international law, but also on one’s own intentions: they must be upright in terms of both means adopted and ends pursued. Moreover, all the aims and intentions must be included. It is not permissible to use some just intentions to justify the pursuit of other unjust intentions. Thus clear object­iv­es are required. Intent, however, is complex; more­over, outcomes of wars are notoriously unpredictable: they rarely achieve their political objectives unambig­uously and often become the cause of future wars.

Tarzanrock

(1,138 posts)
25. Rawls is full of shit. His so-called 'just war' theory has been legitimately criticized and
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 04:46 PM
Jun 13

debunked for the fallacies contained within it.

Tarzanrock

(1,138 posts)
39. That's not what Aquinas and Augustine are talking about.
Sat Jun 14, 2025, 10:43 AM
Jun 14

Read Immanuel Kant and The Critique of Pure Reason. The philosophical criticism of Rawls' bullshit is that all sorts of "reasons" can be used to "justify" aggressive military conflicts as philosophically "just wars." Think the 2003 Iraq invasion or Israel's current illegal aggressive warfare attack on Iran. The idea of philosophically justifying pre-emptive aggressive warfare with vacuous philosophical bullshit like Rawls' bullshit is fallacious -- both in law, international law and in ethics. There is no legal nor moral nor ethical/axiological merit to the silly argument that I am justified in hitting some bad motherfucker just because some day some time in the future I believe that bad motherfucker might hit me before I hit him so I am morally "justified" in striking that bad motherfucker first out of some bullshit claim of some sort of "self-defense. Kant suggests that he rejects the very notion of a just war, arguing that the concept is inherently contradictory. He believed that the state of nature is a condition of injustice and that the idea of a "just enemy" is nonsensical.

malthaussen

(18,144 posts)
21. I hope the PA Democrats are grooming his replacement.
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 04:18 PM
Jun 13

I know he's not up for re-election for some time, which should give them time to prepare a successor. He has ended up being a major disappointment.

-- Mal

Picaro

(2,073 posts)
32. No longer a Democrat
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 06:03 PM
Jun 13

Not sure what he is—but he is not a Democrat.

The poor man has severe stroke damage and shouldn’t still be in the Senate.

I was an avid supporter of his. But now he should retire for his own good, the good of Pennsylvania, and the good of the country.

Bengus81

(8,945 posts)
38. No doubt David Hogg was targeting Fetterman and was basically FIRED
Sat Jun 14, 2025, 10:00 AM
Jun 14

But nah....the DNC would rather keep Fetterman that disrupt things.

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