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riversedge

(76,185 posts)
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 01:25 PM Jun 13

Trump fails to overturn $5m damages award to E Jean Carroll for defamation

Source: msn


Story by Oliver Milman in New York • 1h •



Donald Trump has lost his latest legal attempt to challenge the $5m in damages awarded against him for defaming E Jean Carroll, the New York writer who a jury found was sexually abused by the president in the 1990s, before he embarked on his political career.

A US appeals court in New York City on Friday denied Trump’s request to reconsider its decision in December to uphold the jury’s award of $5m to Carroll. The court was divided in its opinion, with two Trump-appointed judges, Steven Menashi and Michael Park, dissenting.


Carroll, a former magazine columnist, accused Trump of attacking her around 1996 in a department store dressing room in Manhattan. In 2023, a civil jury trial concluded that Trump did sexually abuse her and then defamed her in 2022 when he denied the allegations as a hoax and said that Carroll was “not my type”.

The jury awarded Carroll, who is now 81, a total of $5m in compensatory and punitive damages. More than two dozen different women have accused Trump over the past decade of sexual assault.




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Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-fails-to-overturn-5m-damages-award-to-e-jean-carroll-for-defamation/ar-AA1GF7iZ?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=03462cd250fd4215a5f3a2e1d1643899&ei=17




I suspect Carroll will only believe this to be true is when she sees the money in her bank account.
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Trump fails to overturn $5m damages award to E Jean Carroll for defamation (Original Post) riversedge Jun 13 OP
"The only recourse left now to Trump is the Supreme Court, which may not choose to hear his appeal at all. A MAGA spokes riversedge Jun 13 #1
What a slob Marthe48 Jun 13 #7
Felonius Rapist. (not to be confused with Thelonious Monk!) Martin68 Jun 13 #13
Hardly a bombshell onenote Jun 13 #14
$5M is chicken feed now that he is on the greatest con job and grift in US history. Irish_Dem Jun 13 #2
5M was the first verdict Beachnutt Jun 13 #4
I imagine he's spent more than 5 million trying to defend himself. forgotmylogin Jun 13 #11
Five million? What about the eighty some milliion she was awarded? brush Jun 13 #3
I am dying to post a comment DENVERPOPS Jun 13 #5
Now make the rapist pay up! SheltieLover Jun 13 #6
In order for him to have done that appeal BumRushDaShow Jun 13 #8
He'll have to have another crypto fundraiser to make up for his five-million dollar loss. generalbetrayus Jun 13 #9
There were two judgments against Don the Con - one for $83.3 Million and one for $5 million. The 83.3M judgement iluvtennis Jun 13 #10
If Trump snuffs it before he's forced to pay up, will she have a decent place in the order of creditors for his estate? muriel_volestrangler Jun 13 #12
An en banc 3-2 decision Grins Jun 13 #15
No, it was an en banc 8-2 decision with three judges not participating. onenote Jun 13 #16
Ah!!! Thanks Grins Jun 13 #18
Pay up you cheap bastard, trump. republianmushroom Jun 13 #17

riversedge

(76,185 posts)
1. "The only recourse left now to Trump is the Supreme Court, which may not choose to hear his appeal at all. A MAGA spokes
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 01:31 PM
Jun 13



Occupy Democrats
@OccupyDemocrats
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1h
BREAKING: The 2nd Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in New York drops a bombshell on Donald Trump by rejecting his desperate request for them to rehear the $5 million E. Jean Carroll sexual abuse case that he lost.

And it gets even worse for this adjudicated rapist...

"E. Jean Carroll is very pleased with today’s decision,” her attorney Roberta Kaplan stated. "Although President Trump continues to try every possible maneuver to challenge the findings of two separate juries, those efforts have failed. He remains liable for sexual assault and defamation."

A majority of the judges on the court came together to deliver this defeat. Trump was hoping for an overturning of the civil jury verdict that held him liable for sexually abusing Carroll. That decision also found him liable of defaming her after she went public with her horrifying story about him.

The two judges who dissented in this new ruling were, not surprisingly, appointed by Trump in 2019 during his first presidential term.

The only recourse left now to Trump is the Supreme Court, which may not choose to hear his appeal at all. A MAGA spokesperson has already stated that Trump intends to pursue this final avenue.

This decision from the 2nd Circuit could not come at a worse time for Trump as he is desperately trying to project a persona as a "law and order" president in order to justify his fascist crackdowns against anti-ICE protests.

It's hard to argue that you're upholding the law by targeting undocumented migrants when you yourself are a convicted felon and rapist.


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onenote

(45,359 posts)
14. Hardly a bombshell
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 04:07 PM
Jun 13

A three judge panel unanimously ruled against his initial appeal. Seeking a rehearing en banc would have required a majority of the court's members to disagree with the unanimous panel. Two of the judges on the original 3 judge panel are senior judges and don't participate in deciding petitions for rehearing. And three of the court's 13 judges sat out the case (two Trump appointees and one Biden appointee), so there were ten judges considering the rehearing request, one of which already had decided against Trump in the original decision and could not have been expected to change her position. So to get rehearing he would have needed six of the remaining nine to go his way. Of those remaining nine, one was a GW Bush appointee, three were Trump appointees and 5 were appointed by Obama or Biden. Two of the Trump appointees dissented while the other joined the majority.

Moreover, rehearing en banc is disfavored and rarely granted.

In short, it would have been a bombshell if the court had ruled for Trump, not ruling against him

forgotmylogin

(7,894 posts)
11. I imagine he's spent more than 5 million trying to defend himself.
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 03:21 PM
Jun 13

I love watching him flounder though - if he'd just paid up this probably would go away and we wouldn't be hearing about it anymore.

Although conversely, this could be intended as media interference for everything else going on.

DENVERPOPS

(12,711 posts)
5. I am dying to post a comment
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 01:45 PM
Jun 13

describing exactly what Trump's "Type" is, but DU would surely censor it in a New York second..........But the few men who got to read it before censored, would certainly laugh their asses off and totally concur with me........

Trump has made his entire lifetime about grifting, cheating, and avoiding being held accountable for ANYTHING..........she will never see any money...........

BumRushDaShow

(155,044 posts)
8. In order for him to have done that appeal
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 02:17 PM
Jun 13

he had to put that $$ in escrow so it is there. Just have to exhaust all this damn delaying repetitive nonsense filings and release the money!

generalbetrayus

(1,035 posts)
9. He'll have to have another crypto fundraiser to make up for his five-million dollar loss.
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 02:31 PM
Jun 13

He could also sell a 1/80th interest in his Orangeplane.

iluvtennis

(21,275 posts)
10. There were two judgments against Don the Con - one for $83.3 Million and one for $5 million. The 83.3M judgement
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 02:42 PM
Jun 13

is still on appeal.


US appeals court won't reconsider Trump's $5 million loss to E. Jean Carroll
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/13/trump-loses-appeal-e-jean-carroll/84183587007/

Trump is separately appealing an $83.3 million jury verdict in January 2024 for defaming Carroll and damaging her reputation in June 2019, when he first denied her claim about the Bergdorf encounter.



muriel_volestrangler

(103,956 posts)
12. If Trump snuffs it before he's forced to pay up, will she have a decent place in the order of creditors for his estate?
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 03:26 PM
Jun 13

I'd hope she comes before the various foolish banks who have lent him hundreds of millions. I suspect there will be too many debts to pay off all his creditors, when his finances are truly revealed.

Grins

(8,513 posts)
15. An en banc 3-2 decision
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 04:15 PM
Jun 13

Should have been unanimous given 3 judges on a lower appeals court unanimously dumped on Trump

ABC NEWS (my emphasis):

In dissent, Judge Steven Menashi, a Trump appointee, said the district court should have allowed the defense to present EVIDENCE that Trump believed Carroll's lawsuit "had been CONCOCTED by his political opposition -- and therefore that he was not speaking with actual malice."
Oh, FFS! Are you kidding me??? From whose ass did he pull that?

onenote

(45,359 posts)
16. No, it was an en banc 8-2 decision with three judges not participating.
Fri Jun 13, 2025, 07:37 PM
Jun 13

The votes against rehearing were from a GWB judge--the chief judge of the second circuit and one Trump judge, one Obama judge and five Biden judges. The three judges that sat out the case included two Trump judges and a Biden judge. One of the Biden judges also was a member of the three judge panel whose decision was the subject of the petition for rehearing en banc. The other two judges on that original panel were senior judges who do not participate in deciding rehearing en banc petitions.

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