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RoeVWade

(961 posts)
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 09:18 AM 12 hrs ago

People I misjudged.

Last edited Tue Jun 16, 2026, 10:05 AM - Edit history (1)

I once thought Elon Musk might actually be a tree-hugging environmentalist. Ha Ha Hah, the joke was on me. Granted I didn't know much about him, I just thought electric cars... eh. But more Mecha Hitler as his Ai once referred to itself.

Another one, is Fetterman. I went out of my way to defend him when he had his stroke. Maybe that still was the best thing, I can't even remember who he was up against. I don't live in Pennsylvania though, so couldn't vote either way.

Right now, I'm trying to figure out Gavin Newsom. Sure looks like he is going to run. I'm not super inspired by him but I don't think there's any chance I'm going to find out he is something he is not as far as what I see so far.

I'm really interested in the vice pick this next time.

Might mention another person - while I know many are suspicious of MTGreen's turn, but I have to say I underestimated her ability to turn on Trump and take a moral high ground. I'd never vote for her, but I'll take what I can get and never expected that from her.

What about you? Or just thoughts.

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People I misjudged. (Original Post) RoeVWade 12 hrs ago OP
I am a Magapub Hate Profile JustAnotherGen 11 hrs ago #1
I misjudged Gretchen Wittmer. Trueblue Texan 11 hrs ago #2
totally disappointed in Wittmer. Thought she was a hero hookaleft 7 hrs ago #11
Fetterman was running against Connor Lamb bottomofthehill 11 hrs ago #3
Lamb's voting record in the House wasn't any better than Fetterman's has been in the Senate Wiz Imp 10 hrs ago #6
not saying its impossible but i followed the link and cand find the supporting documents bottomofthehill 7 hrs ago #12
That is for the 2021-22 period (post Trump). Wiz Imp 6 hrs ago #13
FYI It's Newsom SocialDemocrat61 11 hrs ago #4
I've always believed somethingshiny 11 hrs ago #5
Do not agree Wifes husband 7 hrs ago #8
Greene's attacks on trump are moral conveiences, Torchlight 9 hrs ago #7
I with you on Musk MustLoveBeagles 7 hrs ago #9
I love Gavin!! Love Love Love him hookaleft 7 hrs ago #10

JustAnotherGen

(38,176 posts)
1. I am a Magapub Hate Profile
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 09:33 AM
11 hrs ago

So there is never anything good about MTG. I'm very right/wrong these days.

The level of evil permeating America requires it.

Trueblue Texan

(4,695 posts)
2. I misjudged Gretchen Wittmer.
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 09:43 AM
11 hrs ago

I’m not saying she’s awful, but I am disappointed in her lately. My idealism gets in my way of my judgement sometimes.

bottomofthehill

(9,446 posts)
3. Fetterman was running against Connor Lamb
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 09:45 AM
11 hrs ago

He was a very good congressman and in my opinion (opinion) he would have made a very good senator. Not as progressive as this board, but slightly more progressive that the average PA voter.

Wiz Imp

(10,697 posts)
6. Lamb's voting record in the House wasn't any better than Fetterman's has been in the Senate
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 11:12 AM
10 hrs ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pennsylvania_Politics/comments/s4rbpf/i_did_some_research_on_conor_lamb/
https://pittnews.com/article/166601/opinions/opinion-conor-lamb-cant-be-trusted-as-pas-next-senator/
Opinion | Conor Lamb can’t be trusted as PA’s next senator
.....
His brief tenure in the House of Representatives representing Pennsylvania’s 17th Congressional District has yielded indefensible votes — real gems such as voting to fund a border wall, prevent families with an undocumented parent from receiving stimulus checks and oppose marijuana decriminalization.
..........
Who’s to say, if he makes it out of the Democratic primary victorious, that he won’t make all of his silly centrist promises again in the general election and spend at least a year or two actually making good on them? He’s certainly done it before. Lamb voted in line with Trump’s position an inexcusable 68% of the time during the 115th Congress, which he joined in April 2018 after winning a special election.
..........

To repeat that last point, during Trump's first term, Lamb voted with Trump 68% of the time!!! That's not my idea of a "very good" Representative.

Fetterman has voted against Trump over 90% of the time. Also, no matter how disappointed one may be in Fetterman, he is a million times better than Dr. Oz would have been in that Senate seat. Lamb was far less likely to beat Oz.

bottomofthehill

(9,446 posts)
12. not saying its impossible but i followed the link and cand find the supporting documents
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 02:28 PM
7 hrs ago

that he voted with Trump 68 percent of the time or how that was measured. he was not even close to the most conservative member of the House in his time there. Below is the link to govtrack. it helps me when looking at ideology and voting records of members of congress.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/conor_lamb/412744#google_vignette

Wiz Imp

(10,697 posts)
13. That is for the 2021-22 period (post Trump).
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 02:48 PM
6 hrs ago

And at that time he moved to the left because he was running for the Senate. His voting record was significantly more Conservative for 2019/2020.

https://theintercept.com/2021/08/06/conor-lamb-senate-pennsylvania/

In Senate Bid Launch, Conor Lamb Appears to Misremember His Own Record
The Pennsylvania representative cast himself as an advocate for Democrats and an anathema to Trump. His voting record says otherwise.

During Lamb’s first session in Congress, he voted almost 70 percent of the time in line with Trump’s positions on issues like opposing a carbon tax, expressing support for the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency and denouncing calls to abolish ICE, and making signature pieces of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act permanent. During Lamb’s next session, that number was closer to 10 percent. During his last, the number was zero percent.

Lamb also voted in favor of a measure by former Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, to fund a border wall under Trump and to extend the ongoing war in Iraq (he was one of just two Democrats to vote for extension). In addition, he voted against the HEROES Act, one of his party’s signature Covid-19 reliefs packages. Other votes Lamb took in recent years include a vote last year against a measure that would have prevented Trump from using military force against protests; a vote against a bill to decriminalize marijuana; and a vote in favor of a failed measure that would have prevented tax-paying families with an undocumented parent from receiving stimulus checks.

But Lamb’s Senate strategy appears to include carefully distancing himself from that record. “Here is the real danger, if they will take such a big lie and place it at the center of their party, you cannot expect them to tell the truth about anything else,” Lamb said of the Republican Party’s attempts to undermine the 2020 election results — a party with which he voted over much of his time in Congress. And that makes sense: Lamb will enter a field of frontrunners in the Democratic primary, namely Pennsylvania Lt. Gov. John Fetterman and state Rep. Malcolm Kenyatta, who are significantly to his left. Lamb, a lifelong moderate, was always expected to take a more centrist lane in the race. But he and Fetterman will be battling over some of the same voters in Pennsylvania’s western and Allegheny County regions.

Lamb won reelection to the House last year by a slim margin of 2 percentage points, which he blamed during a now-infamous post-Election Day House Democratic caucus call on the push from organizers to defund police forces. What Lamb left out was that several of his recent votes — including his vote against the HEROES Act — hadn’t sat well with many of his constituents. Or that while his 2020 House race was close, he still won by a more comfortable margin than in his 2018 special election to the House.


There is no reason to believe the Intercept article is inaccurate. Seriously, if Fetterman took any of those votes that Lamb is documented to have taken, he'd be trashed here ass a "fraud" or just like Manchin and Sinema" when even Manchin and Sinema didn't make votes as terrible as some of the votes that Lamb did.

somethingshiny

(76 posts)
5. I've always believed
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 09:53 AM
11 hrs ago

that the statement, "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time" is ridiculous and simplistic.

Wifes husband

(780 posts)
8. Do not agree
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 01:37 PM
7 hrs ago

People don't usually change that much. There are exceptions, but your first assessment of a person is usually pretty accurate

Torchlight

(7,164 posts)
7. Greene's attacks on trump are moral conveiences,
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 11:30 AM
9 hrs ago

not an ethical conversion. She merely wants to remain relevant, and this is the path she's chosen. Her behavior remains consistently craven and meritless.

In regards to Newsom, thankfully for me inspiration is way down on my candidate check list and never given thought. Thoughtful competence, broad insight, policy and method are my foci, the stagecraft appreciated, but not really a factor.

MustLoveBeagles

(18,103 posts)
9. I with you on Musk
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 01:46 PM
7 hrs ago

I used to be neutral about him but, like you, made the mistake of thinking he leaned left because he was selling electric cars. Boy was I ever wrong.

hookaleft

(1,163 posts)
10. I love Gavin!! Love Love Love him
Tue Jun 16, 2026, 01:53 PM
7 hrs ago

I post this in GD about a week ago. Didn't get much attention. He is really looking forward on how to protect us.

SACRAMENTO – Governor Gavin Newsom today issued an executive order directing California to prepare workers, small businesses, and communities for the economic disruption that artificial intelligence will bring to the workforce. The order mobilizes state agencies, labor experts, economists, universities, and industry leaders to develop new policies, gather data, and identify early warning signs of workforce disruption — while ensuring workers share in the gains created by AI-driven productivity.

The order directs the state to explore policies including severance standards, employment insurance and transition support for displaced workers, worker ownership models, universal basic capital concepts, expanded workforce training, and stronger tracking of hiring and payroll trends to help California respond faster to potential layoffs and economic disruption. Read the executive order here.
“California has never sat back and watched as the future happened to us – and we won’t start now. We have taken the lead on advancing innovation, safety, and transparency. But we must think bigger. This moment demands that we reimagine the entire system — how we work, how we govern, how we prepare people for the future — and that work is starting right here in the Golden State.

Today is just the first step as we rewrite policy and direction, creating a future of work that works for all.”

snip>

Governor Newsom signs first-of-its-kind executive order to prepare workers and businesses for potential AI disruption

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2026/05/21/governor-newsom-signs-first-of-its-kind-executive-order-to-prepare-workers-and-businesses-for-potential-ai-disruption/

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