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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI don't see a way out of the Strait of Hormuz fiasco.
Iran has won the lottery by taking control of the strait and wont give that up. dump wont let them keep control of it but cant do anything about it so the current situation will continue with entire economies being restructured with huge damage being done.
Dan
(5,280 posts)If I had to guess, this is what I think will be the end result:
1. Iran will officially have the Strait.....can't see them giving up the Strait.
2. The U.S. will pay billions to Iran due to damages.
3. Putin's Orders to date:
A. Destroy the NATO alliance or dependence on the U.S.
B. Damage American democracy.
C. Destroy or Damage America's reputation.
D. Fracture America.
E. Eliminate America's soft power.
4. Our influence within the Middle East is curtailed.
Regardless of how long the war or whatever the buffoon calls it - we will lose more.
IMO
Eko
(10,076 posts)PufPuf23
(9,928 posts)Bibi is right on top of issues.
Eko
(10,076 posts)Hard to protect pipelines and they would just be a target for terrorism.
PufPuf23
(9,928 posts)Wounded Bear
(64,595 posts)CentralMass
(16,994 posts)RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(2,224 posts)Melon
(1,652 posts)This is a joint project with Saudi and Oman to by pass the straits and move oil across the dessert via pipeline to the deepwater ports of Duqm and Salalah. This was a listed project over a decade ago that still hasnt started that I am aware. I heard and saw the presentations while working in Salalah. The issue as always was a $50 Billion plus price tag.
The Iran issue is not a today issue. Their threats and neighbor countries plans to circumvent the straights are on paper in numerous countries. This is the straw that will put these plans in motion.
At the point, Iran as a nation will lose any regional leverage they had.
Eko
(10,076 posts)During that time Iran would steadily raise the price to transit the strait.
Melon
(1,652 posts)You see it throughout much of the Middle East. When oil is high, they plan project for the good of the region. But oil is cyclical. When oil drops to $60 a barrel, the projects are all put on hold.
I was a part of Duqm 2013
Dugm 2016
Duqm 2020
. Same project. Just kicked down the road. Oman is mountainous on one side and their oil difficult to transport. They produce the same amount of oil as Colombia in Latin America. They are reliant on Saudi to fund large projects.
The waters south of Oman are all deep water. Its 3 days sailing to India. Its a no brainer, but Iran gets quiet for a few years and the region cancels projects because appeasement seems cheaper. But its not. Iran is a regional terrorist that threatens everything around it. Their leverage is fanaticism that never guarantees a sane outcome. Oman conceptually should have been safe from attack being neutral
but
Iran.
Eko
(10,076 posts)"Iraq through Kuwait and then along the coast to pick up oil from Saudi and the UAE. Terminating in two Omani ports, Duqm and Salalah, it would avoid both the Red Sea and Gulf chokepoints, meaning crude could flow freely east into the Indian Ocean to Gulf states main Asian customers. But it would take up to seven years to build and cost a lot."
https://www.reuters.com/commentary/breakingviews/hormuz-pipeline-workaround-looks-worth-cost-2026-04-15/
moondust
(21,345 posts)With trains almost everywhere--many electrified.
EU: Electrification of rail infrastructure
GoodRaisin
(11,032 posts)doesnt have the cards. He knows how stupid he looks to the entire world but will never admit it. There is no ending to this until he is replaced by a normal president and administration.