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riversedge

(81,479 posts)
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:21 PM 2 hrs ago

Finland's Foreign Minister Elina Valtonen said Ukraine should be integrated into NATO as quickly as possible because it

She makes good points IMHO

Ukraine is not asking NATO for a seat as a passenger. It is bringing the battlefield experience NATO now needs.

Finland’s Foreign Minister Elina Valtonen said Ukraine should be integrated into NATO as quickly as possible because it is in Europe’s own interest. Her point was clear: Ukraine has one of Europe’s most credible armies, a strong defense industry, and modern technologies tested in the hardest war on the continent.

In the language Washington understands: Ukraine has cards. Real ones.



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Finland's Foreign Minister Elina Valtonen said Ukraine should be integrated into NATO as quickly as possible because it (Original Post) riversedge 2 hrs ago OP
Absolutely! SheltieLover 2 hrs ago #1
Could not agree more. If I were them, I'd toss the US out (but of course I HOPE that does not happen) hlthe2b 2 hrs ago #2
They're gonna have to wait until 2029 Fiendish Thingy 2 hrs ago #3
Can't they expel a rogue member? erronis 1 hr ago #4
You mean expel the US? Fiendish Thingy 1 hr ago #6
How is that different (better/worse) than the trumpian US pulling out - or obstructing everything? erronis 1 hr ago #8
Because there are still thousands of US troops in Europe Fiendish Thingy 1 hr ago #9
Someone with trump(putin) can cause a lot more damage inside. Witness fetterman. erronis 54 min ago #10
The rest of the Five Eyes are already excluding the US from intelligence sharing Fiendish Thingy 41 min ago #11
Doesn't Trump keeping threatening to withdraw the US from NATO ToxMarz 1 hr ago #7
AND... BurnDoubt 1 hr ago #5
Totally true barbtries 39 min ago #12
Convergent interests between Ukraine and NATO Torchlight 34 min ago #13
When you're right you're right. ananda 17 min ago #14

hlthe2b

(114,545 posts)
2. Could not agree more. If I were them, I'd toss the US out (but of course I HOPE that does not happen)
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:24 PM
2 hrs ago

If only they could help us get the demented scourge out of power.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,961 posts)
3. They're gonna have to wait until 2029
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:37 PM
2 hrs ago

Because any new member must have unanimous approval from every other member.

In the meantime, they can proceed with forming Carney’s proposed European Defense Alliance.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,961 posts)
6. You mean expel the US?
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:06 PM
1 hr ago

That would essentially dissolve NATO.

I’m not sure anybody wants that, especially since the current rogueness will only last another three years (even if the damage lasts longer).

erronis

(24,455 posts)
8. How is that different (better/worse) than the trumpian US pulling out - or obstructing everything?
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:13 PM
1 hr ago

Fiendish Thingy

(23,961 posts)
9. Because there are still thousands of US troops in Europe
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:16 PM
1 hr ago

And the EU has found workarounds, such as loaning Ukraine billions, now that Orban is gone.

erronis

(24,455 posts)
10. Someone with trump(putin) can cause a lot more damage inside. Witness fetterman.
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:23 PM
54 min ago

An internal enemy is far worse than an external one.

trump has tried to weaken NATO and other alliances in order to favor putin. He can't be relied on for anything at all.

Given his destruction of the US military leadership I don't see anyone stopping him from continuing his treasonous behavior.

I doubt NATO wants trump to be privy to its planning for the future. He's like an ugly 320 pound skin tag.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,961 posts)
11. The rest of the Five Eyes are already excluding the US from intelligence sharing
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:36 PM
41 min ago

That doesn’t mean NATO wants the US out of Europe.

Fortunately, the current crop of European leaders aren’t (mostly) knee jerk reactionaries who want to punish themselves for the antics of one rogue leader.

ToxMarz

(3,045 posts)
7. Doesn't Trump keeping threatening to withdraw the US from NATO
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:10 PM
1 hr ago

They should act the moment he crosses that line.

BurnDoubt

(1,876 posts)
5. AND...
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:46 PM
1 hr ago

Because it’s the Right Thing To Do.
NATO PUSHED Ukraine to surrender their Nukes. For this reason alone they should waive the shit out of the rules. This is house-afire Emergency and they are paying for our Stupidity in Lives and Treasury.
And, now they are suffering for it! Deplorable.
This is on us (NATO) and His Arrogance is playing Transactional Mumblypeg with them to rip-off their Resources.
Deplorable

Torchlight

(7,019 posts)
13. Convergent interests between Ukraine and NATO
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:43 PM
34 min ago

that would strengthen both by Ukraine's entry. At this point, I'm not looking at if it happens, but when it will be eventually acted on. Serious times call for serious nations... NATO can dismiss America as a serious player for the time being if recent events show our measure.

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