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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTradwife vs. Tradwife: Even Christians Have Had Enough of Ballerina Farm
A new wave of online personalities are pushing back against the unrealistic ideals pushed by the likes of Hannah Neeleman: If you are a stay-at-home mom who makes the sourdough and only homeschools, you feel like youre better than everybody else.
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/story/tradwife-vs-tradwife-even-christians-have-had-enough-of-ballerina-farm
https://archive.ph/t2IZD

Hannah Neeleman rolling out dough at Ballerina Farm, in Kamas, Utah, November 7, 2024. Kim Raff/The New York Times/Redux.
For most of this year, Kyrie Luke has been telling her more than 72,000 YouTube subscribers that its time for Christian moms to renegotiate their relationship to the internet. She didnt realize how important that advice would be until this September, when videos of Charlie Kirks killing rapidly began circulating online. Last month, Luke told Vanity Fair that while she never sought out footage of Kirk bleeding out, it appeared on her feeds anyway. I was shocked, and I couldnt sleep for days, she says. I was not meant to see that. I should not have seen that.
Luke doesnt post about the topics that would obviously put her in the Turning Point USA orbit, but Kirk and his organizations characteristic melding of politics and faith have been so influential on the Christian internet that she was hearing commentary from her audience immediately. She films videos for the Transformed Homemakers Society, her channel and blog, from her home in Idaho, where she lives with her husband and three kids. Over the last five years, Luke has built a strong relationship with audience members, who come to her for domestic advice using principles gleaned from the Bible.
Luke is part of a wave of conservative Christian influencers whose content attempts to present a more realistic alternative to the pastoral ideal of TikTok tradwives. Theyre building smaller but perhaps more engaged audiences across social media platforms, blogs, and alternative forums like Substack and Patreon. If the first tradwife era was about making the conservative lifestyle seem attractive, this new wave of influencers is trying to make it seem sustainable for women who have already chosen that patheven if retaining that audience means turning away from right-wing rage bait.
Luke started out as a basic domestic content creator, writing a recipe blog and decorating tips. It was very surface level, talking about aesthetics and things like that, she says. Eventually she started feeling overwhelmed by the demands of an unsustainable ideal and decided she needed to heal. And Im like, Is this our calling? Is this actually what God wants for us? Should women be doing this? Is this even healthy for us? This seems totally unsustainable.
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NewHendoLib
(61,496 posts)keep_left
(3,131 posts)Reminds me of a line from a movie.
(See 0:52-1:29).
NotHardly
(2,401 posts)tanyev
(48,439 posts)The latter are selling something alright, but it aint their cooking. 🤨
617Blue
(2,178 posts)drmeow
(5,859 posts)Even the more "reasonable" tradwives have NO IDEA how much feminism changed their lives for the better. I just love the way they claim to get to go back to "a more traditional time" without defining when that time was, what the laws vs norms were of the time, and how all technology (from cars to TV to medicine to the internet) makes their "traditional time" nothing more than "picking and choosing the level of modernization I want to fit my preferred narrative." I'm sure Jesus will be SO IMPRESSED with their hypocrisy!
jfz9580m
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After looking at that, I cant really see that I care about either kind.
drmeow
(5,859 posts)Get rich off telling *other* women that they belong in the kitchen.
travel the country
run a well-fueled nonprofit
run a blog
get paid for public speaking
run for public office
ignore their own children
etc
allegorical oracle
(6,084 posts)several women who've told me that they regretted opting to be stay-at-home moms. They were all about 20 years older than I was, and they appreciated our efforts to broaden womens' lifestyle choices. One neighbor, sitting in my living room, burst into tears as she said she will always wonder what she could have become had she made different decisions.
Attempted to reassure her that she reared two beautiful daughters and that her decisions were likely the right ones at the time she made them. But it is clear to me that women must be free to choose the course of their lives.
yardwork
(68,740 posts)They are entitled. You are exactly on point. The rights we and our mothers fought for allow young women in the U.S. to choose from options.
My mother loved her job and hated traditional women's work. She would have been miserable. And she grew up in the 1950s when women were expected to be domestic goddesses. She rejected that.
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milestogo
(22,307 posts)In 1963 Betty Friedan wrote The Feminine Mystique:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feminine_Mystique
