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Maine Abu El Banat

(3,510 posts)
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 08:27 AM Jun 29

Why are they not concerned about public opinion

This fact scares me, it seems like they know they have nothing to worry about because of election fraud. If they fall in line they are fine, if they don't they will lose. We are watching the crumbling of our democracy.

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Why are they not concerned about public opinion (Original Post) Maine Abu El Banat Jun 29 OP
It sure does seem like there's an undeniable and continuing lurch to the rignt in our... brush Jun 29 #1
Nixon had Watergate .Trump had Elongate.. BattleRow Jun 29 #20
The Republican politicians are more scared of Trump than they are of the voters Vogon_Glory Jun 29 #2
"general electorate will wise up is through serious hurting" llmart Jun 29 #9
Thom Tillis is very concerned. You should see his page on the book of face ms liberty Jun 29 #3
Look at an electoral map pimpbot Jun 29 #4
NC voted in a full slate of Dems mnhtnbb Jun 29 #15
In gerrymandered districts or red states, most only need to keep the GOP primary voters surfered Jun 29 #5
Exactly, it is already rigged Hornedfrog2000 Jun 29 #7
They know they already rigged and are brainwashing people now Hornedfrog2000 Jun 29 #6
Most have safe seats edhopper Jun 29 #8
Because they're not going to let us vote again Ritabert Jun 29 #10
Because they think the 'fix' is in. We really need to disabuse them of that notion Nov 2026. marble falls Jun 29 #11
By any means necessary JustAnotherGen Jun 29 #18
100%, one way or another, anyway but loose. I am open to whatever is necessary. marble falls Jun 29 #38
Pride cometh before the fall Mysterian Jun 29 #12
That's what scares me.Just like when trump said we don't need any more votes Tribetime Jun 29 #13
He said after this election you won't have to vote anymore. Emile Jun 29 #14
Because the voting is dirty end of story. The corporate media, the fossil fuel industries, and TPTB are Botany Jun 29 #16
AP reports these Intolerable Tax Provisions are permanent JustAnotherGen Jun 29 #17
Just remember: the royal family was a permentent fixture of American govenrnance, too. The Third Reich was a 1000 ... marble falls Jun 29 #39
Because they are largely safe. They come from safe GOP states. The public will be mad, and then vote for Republicans In It to Win It Jun 29 #19
The GOP has had these goals for decades and they're so close now Arazi Jun 29 #21
Well, there was really bad inflation MadameButterfly Jun 29 #28
I have been saying that before the... S/V Loner Jun 29 #22
Arrogance and stupidity and forgetting 2018 Blue Wave. The pink wave of 2022 was tepid. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 29 #23
Republicans Think That Trump OhioTim Jun 29 #24
with those fkrs, not exactly improbable B.See Jun 29 #36
Because most of the voters in their districts have proven time and again they vote red or don't vote jgmiller Jun 29 #25
Exactly Aepps22 Jun 29 #27
It will soon be illegal to hold a public opinion. bucolic_frolic Jun 29 #26
More to the point The Blue Flower Jun 29 #29
Maybe, but Republicans haven't been concerned with public opinion for years -- decades at this point? W_HAMILTON Jun 29 #30
Public opinion rso Jun 29 #31
Because there will never be another election that matters. If they don't "win" they madibella Jun 29 #32
Very true Hartpi978 Jun 29 #33
Some among us had warned, B.See Jun 29 #34
They have gerrymandered and fixed the districts to their favor... kentuck Jun 29 #35
Because the GOP has a powerful grip on election messaging through their propaganda: public and social media sources andym Jun 29 #37
Worse than you think. Research shows that it's been that way for decades.... snot Jun 29 #40
Trump campaigned on Arnold Palmer's penis and blow jobs. It was obvious then. live love laugh Jun 29 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Jun 29 #42

brush

(60,556 posts)
1. It sure does seem like there's an undeniable and continuing lurch to the rignt in our...
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 08:41 AM
Jun 29

Last edited Sun Jun 29, 2025, 01:23 PM - Edit history (1)

coming from not just the spineless rethugs in Congress but also in the many rulings by the SCOTUS 6, starting with them giving TSF, or all undeserving creelps, immunity for 'official acts', and on and on with even their and even lower court rulings that border on violation of citizen and residential rights.

And all for trump, the worst president or out lifetime, and it's no one since Nixon even comes close to that level of infamy.

BattleRow

(1,731 posts)
20. Nixon had Watergate .Trump had Elongate..
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 10:23 AM
Jun 29

The effects which will be definitely lengthy.
Time to give them ALL the gate.

Vogon_Glory

(9,974 posts)
2. The Republican politicians are more scared of Trump than they are of the voters
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 09:07 AM
Jun 29

DJT can get some MAGA surrogate to run against them in Republican Party primaries. If they lose there, they’re out.

As for the general elections, most Republican representatives are safely cocooned in gerrymandered districts. As for the senate, their red-state constituents loved DJT and in many swing states the electorate went to sleep or sat on their backsides instead of turning them out.

The only Republican Senator to successfully defy Orange Julius has been Lisa Murkowski. The rest of them are jellyfish.

As for me, I’m an angry Democrat. I’m one of those people who believes that the only way our complacent general electorate will wise up is through serious hurting—which, alas, is coming.

llmart

(16,620 posts)
9. "general electorate will wise up is through serious hurting"
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 09:27 AM
Jun 29

And the "hurting", at least in our country, will almost always have to come from a disastrous economy. It seems that as a nation, we only care about amassing mountains of stuff. We measure "success" as how much we own. I know this will never change in my lifetime but I would love to see the younger generations finally get it - that all the money in the world and all the stuff they waste money on does not equal contentment or success in life. We only have to look at the billionaires and see how miserable and superficial their lives are.

ms liberty

(10,382 posts)
3. Thom Tillis is very concerned. You should see his page on the book of face
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 09:08 AM
Jun 29

He gets reamed out every time he posts. He wished a Happy Anniversary to his wife the other day and people congratulated them AND gave him hell all in the same comment. The comments are at about 99% disapproval. I add to the chorus of angry constituents every time!

pimpbot

(1,099 posts)
4. Look at an electoral map
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 09:20 AM
Jun 29

The number of purple or "competitive" districts is getting smaller and smaller. The house is our best chance at a flip to democratic control. Senate is much tougher, there seems to be a small amount of states these days that have any chance of flipping back to democratic representation.

Until citizens in red states get fed up enough to vote democratic I don't see why the GOP would care about public opinion.

mnhtnbb

(32,637 posts)
15. NC voted in a full slate of Dems
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 09:53 AM
Jun 29

for state wide--not by district--offices in 2024. Republicans have significantly gerrymandered the state since 2010. Tillis is in trouble here and he knows it, particularly if he has to run against the very popular former Gov Roy Cooper.

Hornedfrog2000

(354 posts)
7. Exactly, it is already rigged
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 09:25 AM
Jun 29

They throw our votes out, use foreign help, gerrymander, etc. They dont need it to be completely universally supported. It just needs to be close enough they can distort your reality into thinking they almost had enough support. They wouldnt have won an election in the last 35 years if this was a true democracy

edhopper

(36,321 posts)
8. Most have safe seats
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 09:25 AM
Jun 29

the ones who don't are threatened with being primaried if they don't vote with Trump.

JustAnotherGen

(35,622 posts)
18. By any means necessary
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 10:16 AM
Jun 29

Let's look to the NJ Governor's race of 1981 which gave us prior disclosure in the now defunct VRA.

Everything Roger Stone did? We do better.

I want the Fascists afraid to go to the polls. I want them to believe their votes won't be counted.

Just in purple districts should do the trick.

Botany

(74,701 posts)
16. Because the voting is dirty end of story. The corporate media, the fossil fuel industries, and TPTB are
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 10:05 AM
Jun 29

more than good with that. Letting the likes of Russia, Peter Theil, Musk, racism, Christo Fascism and billions of dollars into our elections have been a cancer on our democracy.

https://thiswillhold.substack.com/

JustAnotherGen

(35,622 posts)
17. AP reports these Intolerable Tax Provisions are permanent
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 10:12 AM
Jun 29
https://apnews.com/article/senate-trump-tax-breaks-spending-cuts-daf7c76ac9481d177050df5932025c56

At its core, the legislation would make permanent many of the tax breaks from Trump’s first term that would otherwise expire by year’s end if Congress fails to act, resulting in a potential tax increase on Americans. The bill would add new breaks, including no taxes on tips, and commit $350 billion to national security, including for Trump’s mass deportation agenda.


Am I still a radical?
A meanie?
When the Regime falls we are not returning to the Status Quo.
If the opposition gets brought to heel in the process? So be it.

marble falls

(66,989 posts)
39. Just remember: the royal family was a permentent fixture of American govenrnance, too. The Third Reich was a 1000 ...
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 12:33 PM
Jun 29

... year structure, too. The Volstead Act was supposed to last forever, it was an amendment to the Constitution. It ain't there no more.

It's not too late. Yet.

By any means necessary.

In It to Win It

(11,058 posts)
19. Because they are largely safe. They come from safe GOP states. The public will be mad, and then vote for Republicans
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 10:21 AM
Jun 29

Arazi

(8,137 posts)
21. The GOP has had these goals for decades and they're so close now
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 10:29 AM
Jun 29

They’re not going to give up.

Look at the fall of Roe - a decades long project, seemingly hated by the vast majority of Americans, yet focusing on eliminating that right didnt hurt them at all. They won everywhere in 2024.

They know Americans have the attention span of a turnip and they have the propaganda machines to ensure their agenda gets spun to the rubes any way they like.

Dems poured trillions into projects for red states - didn't matter.

Dems expanded Medicaid and other programs for the poor - didnt matter.

The GOP manufactured a “recession” and a “bad economy” that wasn’t even real and their rubes ate it up.

Dems must find a way to counteract the GOP propaganda. Stat

MadameButterfly

(3,248 posts)
28. Well, there was really bad inflation
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 11:05 AM
Jun 29

Most people don't notice that they didn't lose their job--they can't imagine how bad it might have been.
They notice what they are paying for things

S/V Loner

(9,390 posts)
22. I have been saying that before the...
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 10:40 AM
Jun 29

Election. Even then they did not appear to be trying to win over independents or moderate their policies. That is not normal. When I noticed that I realized they believed they had the election in the bag. The same thing is happening again and why not? They have the DOJ, DHS, and the SC in their pockets. If there even is an election in 2026 they will make sure they win.

OhioTim

(350 posts)
24. Republicans Think That Trump
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 10:54 AM
Jun 29

will cancel the next presidential election after declaring martial law. I'm sure the Supreme court will back him up. After that he may make a bold move and declare the Democratic Party a threat to national security and have it banned.

jgmiller

(587 posts)
25. Because most of the voters in their districts have proven time and again they vote red or don't vote
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 10:55 AM
Jun 29

In 2018 they lost 41 seats which was huge but 199 of them still won. It's human nature to think it could never happen to you and time and again Dem and independent voters have proven they don't turn out in the numbers never in red districts to vote them out.

They are more worried about a primary challenge that Trump arranges than anything, think that. They are more worried about a minority of their own party voters wielding more power in an election than a majority of their constituents.

Aepps22

(361 posts)
27. Exactly
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 11:05 AM
Jun 29

Mitch was spot on when he said their voters will get over it. He was absolutely right.

W_HAMILTON

(9,305 posts)
30. Maybe, but Republicans haven't been concerned with public opinion for years -- decades at this point?
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 11:13 AM
Jun 29

Ever since Republicans realized that they were more successful promoting their propaganda and manufacturing public opinion themselves, they've been less concerned with the public's actual opinion.

rso

(2,583 posts)
31. Public opinion
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 11:16 AM
Jun 29

I think it’s simple , because they are far more afraid of Trump’s goons and getting primaried than of their constituents.

madibella

(179 posts)
32. Because there will never be another election that matters. If they don't "win" they
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 11:18 AM
Jun 29

can cheat, falsify the results, or use the courts to keep themselves in power.

Democracy is over.

Hartpi978

(32 posts)
33. Very true
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 11:20 AM
Jun 29

The fact is, they don't have anything to worry about. Who is going to stop them? The press, congress, the courts, don't make me laugh. The people? Are you talking about the 90 million eligible voters who did not vote, or the 77 million that voted for him? Things are not looking good.

B.See

(5,834 posts)
34. Some among us had warned,
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 11:34 AM
Jun 29

multiple times leading up to the election that November 2024 would be our LAST time for anything approximating a free and fair election. That if Trump's fascist regime took over, that'd be the end. HE even told us as much, himself.

Yet, the jackasses still turned out for him, or didn't bother to vote at all - including (TOO) many of those who had the MOST to lose.

But hey, we were just 'doomsayers.'

So kiss those days goodbye.

kentuck

(114,373 posts)
35. They have gerrymandered and fixed the districts to their favor...
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 11:40 AM
Jun 29

...and they have the majority of media, propaganda, on their side. What should they have to fear?

andym

(6,012 posts)
37. Because the GOP has a powerful grip on election messaging through their propaganda: public and social media sources
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 12:24 PM
Jun 29

Fox News, podcasts, X.com etc. Also, because conventional media operates on a principle of reporting what both sides say, they only help spread the messages.

It doesn't matter what the GOP does, as long as their messaging makes them seem great to vulnerable voters at the right time (election time) , and makes the opposition seem bad.

When election time comes, the messaging blitz helps them focus the public's attention where they want.

snot

(11,168 posts)
40. Worse than you think. Research shows that it's been that way for decades....
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 01:52 PM
Jun 29

Already by 2014, over a period of two decades, there was literally a near-zero correlation between legislation actually enacted and public preferences; see https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba/ , or the actual the study by Profs Martin Gilens (Princeton.) & Benjamin I. Page (Northwestern U.) at https://archive.org/details/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc .

Imho, the only kind of protest that really gets their attention is shutting down the money-making. It doesn't have to be via violence, but there need to be widespread general strikes that really hit them in their pocketbooks.

I also favor well-defined demands that go to the roots of our problems; e.g.:

we need to restore the regulations put on Wall St. after the 1929 crash that kept our economy growing for everyone, without booms or busts, for 50 years before the regs were repealed (under Pres. Clinton & his successors), and extend them to apply to credit derivatives & other Wall St. innovations;

we need to restore the restrictions against consolidation of media ownership that were repealed under the Telecom Act of 1996, and extend them to the internet;

we need to restore labor law protections to the levels that during the 1950's-70's helped create the greatest middle class wealth in human history; and

we need to restore the levels of taxation of the rich that began to be rolled back under Pres. Reagan.

Restoring anti-trust regulation & enforcement would also be helpful (how the heck is amazon allowed to continue hoovering up vast chunks of our economy??)

Apart from that, Represent.Us has what I consider to be the most realistic plan of action for trying to recover public control over our government.

live love laugh

(15,583 posts)
41. Trump campaigned on Arnold Palmer's penis and blow jobs. It was obvious then.
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 08:29 PM
Jun 29

Before that I saw many telltale signs that they weren’t concerned about elections. Now Peter Thiel openly says technocrats will do away with democracy through electronic means.

As Al Gore recently said, “We are under siege.”

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