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Jit423

(1,564 posts)
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 06:31 PM Jun 24

Taking license to use a favorite word from one of my favorite DU posters, what is now pellucidly clear are two things:

1. A new SCOTUS must overturn the immunity ruling by this COURT AND
2. A new Congress with Dems leading MUST amend the Constitution to either eliminate or revise the Pardon Power of the President.

These two things are at the heart of Trump's KINGDOM and would be at the heart of any other dictator prone-anti-democratic-anti-rule-or-law POTUS in the coming years. I don't know if states can start the ball rolling on amending the Constitution narrowly so that only the one issue of pardons is being voted on but this has to be done. It is the sole reason few in this administration will stand up for the rule of law. They know that no matter how many laws are broken or how many of them will be convicted of crimes, they will be pardoned by this insufferable idiot of a President. They are therefore unflinchingly willing to do his bidding from the halls of Congress to the Proud Boys roaming the streets. There is nothing to stop them when Trump holds the pardon power. J6 proved it. If Trump died tonight, none of them would be so bold and so brazenly criminal.

Dems and all people who actually love this country must begin now to figure out how to do this.

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Taking license to use a favorite word from one of my favorite DU posters, what is now pellucidly clear are two things: (Original Post) Jit423 Jun 24 OP
And give the emolument clause some teeth!!! Easterncedar Jun 24 #1
And Citizens United has to go. jeffreyi Jun 24 #2
A whole lot could be done in three simple steps usonian Jun 24 #3
if we have enough for a constitutional amendment rampartd Jun 24 #4
If Congress could amend the Constitution bucolic_frolic Jun 24 #5
I know that. But where and how does the state ratification take place? It isn't clear to me. Do governors put it on Jit423 Jun 24 #7
It's done by the state legislature. onenote Jun 24 #8
It's actually three-fourths of the States to ratify.... lastlib Jun 24 #9
LOL malaise Jun 24 #6

Easterncedar

(4,706 posts)
1. And give the emolument clause some teeth!!!
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 06:38 PM
Jun 24

The scale of the corruption still shocks me every day.

usonian

(18,993 posts)
3. A whole lot could be done in three simple steps
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 06:55 PM
Jun 24

1. Apply "decency" and "fairness" rules to social media monopolies, like we had for TV monopolies. Make them responsible for all content.

2. Campaign finance reform. Limit money spent and banish PACs.

3. Tax the fucking rich. Would that hurt them? Hell NO. They're paying more than their fair share of taxes on (1) and (2), buying and sledgehammering public opinion and legislators (ahem)

Oh, and this:

rampartd

(2,183 posts)
4. if we have enough for a constitutional amendment
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 06:59 PM
Jun 24

we have enough to impeach thomas for bribery and alito for insurrection

but these are dreams.

bucolic_frolic

(51,381 posts)
5. If Congress could amend the Constitution
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 07:14 PM
Jun 24

the Republicans would have eliminated it long ago.

So to the OP, Congress can only propose amendments. 2/3 of the states must ratify a proposed amendment for it to become a part of the Constitution.

Jit423

(1,564 posts)
7. I know that. But where and how does the state ratification take place? It isn't clear to me. Do governors put it on
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 07:53 PM
Jun 24

the ballots or does the state Rep do it? Is it individually done or collectively done by states?

onenote

(45,435 posts)
8. It's done by the state legislature.
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 08:26 PM
Jun 24

And what you propose would only happen if red states thought they could use it against Democrats.

lastlib

(26,289 posts)
9. It's actually three-fourths of the States to ratify....
Tue Jun 24, 2025, 09:15 PM
Jun 24

Article V:

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

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ERA needed 38 states, just over 3/4 of the 50 (37 would be less than 3/4)

Your main point is valid, though.
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