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Beastly Boy

(12,783 posts)
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 10:34 AM Yesterday

Nearly two-thirds of Jewish students at Columbia felt unaccepted after Oct. 7 - survey

Nearly two-thirds of Jewish students at Columbia University reported feeling unaccepted for their religious identity, compared to 15% of students overall, during the school year that included the Hamas onslaught that sparked the war in Gaza, according to a report this week.

Jewish students were by far the most likely to report that political conversations about controversial topics strained their relationships during the 2023-2024 school year. And they were the most likely to say that they felt pressure to conform from their classmates — rather than, say, from their professors or school administrators — about their political beliefs.

The report was the third released by the Columbia University Task Force on Antisemitism, formed amid turmoil over pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel protests at the Ivy League school in New York City. The first report, released in March 2024, focused on rules about demonstrations, and the second, in August, surveyed Jewish students about their experiences.

The new report is based on an online survey from summer 2024 that asked Columbia students from all backgrounds about their experiences in the preceding school year. The survey was conducted by the Columbia task force in cooperation with the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/nearly-two-thirds-of-jewish-students-at-columbia-felt-unaccepted-after-oct-7-survey/


It is remarkable how many Jewish students refuse to see themselves as legitimate targets in criticizing Zionism. A shameless display of Zionists shilling for Netanyahu!
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Nearly two-thirds of Jewish students at Columbia felt unaccepted after Oct. 7 - survey (Original Post) Beastly Boy Yesterday OP
Unsurprising. Behind the Aegis Yesterday #1
There is a sizable portion of college Jews that are pro-Palestine. Zohran25 Yesterday #2
They must be the "one-third". Behind the Aegis 21 hrs ago #3
It's not antisemitic to oppose apartheid and genocide. Zohran25 7 hrs ago #4
It is antisemitic to claim genocide where there is none. Beastly Boy 7 hrs ago #8
The international community consensus begs to differ. Zohran25 6 hrs ago #13
There is no cinsensus in the international community, but it has its share of particularly vocal antisemites, Beastly Boy 6 hrs ago #18
That's a fine distinction you're making EdmondDantes_ 5 hrs ago #27
The ICJ order: Beastly Boy 5 hrs ago #40
If the animal walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, IT"S A DUCK. nt jrthin 5 hrs ago #41
Very appropriate. If the animal talks like an antisemite, walks like an antisemite, quacks like an antisemite, Beastly Boy 5 hrs ago #43
African Americans (students and non-students have been ostracized for four centuries malaise 7 hrs ago #5
Indeed. Beastly Boy 7 hrs ago #10
Jews do not have a similar history in universities malaise 6 hrs ago #12
You mentioned "students and non-students" Beastly Boy 6 hrs ago #14
True but African and Asian Jews also face serious problems malaise 6 hrs ago #16
The African and Asian Jews are some of the most right wing Jews inside and outside Israel JI7 6 hrs ago #17
All newly arrived Jews in Israel, no matter where they come from, face serious problems. Beastly Boy 6 hrs ago #19
When the Shah was overthrown in Iran BuddhaGirl 7 hrs ago #6
I remember those times. The bigots couldn't care less if Beastly Boy 7 hrs ago #11
Before the Shah was overthrown in Iran, I remember EVERY prof and insturctor telling Iranian students NOT to speak Attilatheblond 6 hrs ago #15
The far right and far left bend and meet at antisemitism. nt LexVegas 7 hrs ago #7
That is all. tritsofme 7 hrs ago #9
The left is not antisemitic. Zohran25 6 hrs ago #20
It's the far left. And most are not antisemites, but they tolerate antisemites in their ranks. Beastly Boy 6 hrs ago #21
Show me proof of the left tolerating antisemitism. Zohran25 6 hrs ago #22
Here Beastly Boy 6 hrs ago #23
Mamdani was trying to explain the origin of the word intifada. Zohran25 6 hrs ago #24
Mamdani should call for all the Islamic nations to be non Islamic JI7 5 hrs ago #26
Israel is a ethno -supremacist state. Zohran25 5 hrs ago #29
They are surrounded by Islamic states that identify as Islamic JI7 5 hrs ago #30
Those are theocracies, not ethno states. Zohran25 5 hrs ago #31
It's one tiny Jewish state with 25 percent non jews. JI7 5 hrs ago #36
"Globalize the uprising" Beastly Boy 5 hrs ago #28
The trash that shot the Jewish Couple to death and people justifying it including on this site JI7 5 hrs ago #25
One of the dead was a Christian. Zohran25 5 hrs ago #32
The target was still Jewish people and it wasn't just that one person as he had JI7 5 hrs ago #35
Only one of the target was Jewish. Zohran25 4 hrs ago #44
He was targeting Jewish people. JI7 4 hrs ago #45
See the DSA rally after October 7 sarisataka 5 hrs ago #33
This is unfortunately very true. Oneironaut 5 hrs ago #39
'Splainin', Squirrels and Strawmen, OH MY! Behind the Aegis 5 hrs ago #34
(Not at OP) - I find it wild that people can't hold two ideas at once: Palestinian children don't deserve to be bombed, Oneironaut 5 hrs ago #37
The problem is with the government in Israel and how people respond to it. Complain to them. Srkdqltr 5 hrs ago #38
Antisemitisn has been a problem way before people started responding to the government in Israel. Beastly Boy 5 hrs ago #42

Behind the Aegis

(55,447 posts)
1. Unsurprising.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 03:39 PM
Yesterday

They are all just afraid of "freedom fighter" supporters.

Very few give two shits.

Zohran25

(24 posts)
2. There is a sizable portion of college Jews that are pro-Palestine.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 05:06 PM
Yesterday

For all the hoopla about antisemitism among the protestors the critics neglect all the brave Jewish students who are standing up for Palestinians against a nation committing genocide.

Behind the Aegis

(55,447 posts)
3. They must be the "one-third".
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:25 PM
21 hrs ago


Always fun to have anti-Semitism 'splained and told how we are "wrong" and who the "good Jews" are.

Zohran25

(24 posts)
4. It's not antisemitic to oppose apartheid and genocide.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 10:47 AM
7 hrs ago

Equating Zionism with Judaism is antisemitic, as it equates an ethnic/religious group with the actions of a country proclaiming itself the Jewish state. The actions of Israel do not represent the Jewish diaspora worldwide, they only represent the actions of a lunatic country hellbent on chaos in the region with their friend the US of A.

Beastly Boy

(12,783 posts)
8. It is antisemitic to claim genocide where there is none.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:04 AM
7 hrs ago

It is an inverted variant of the "great replacement" conspiracy theory - a well established century-old antisemitic trope.

Zohran25

(24 posts)
13. The international community consensus begs to differ.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:23 AM
6 hrs ago

The ICJ has arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have issued investigative reports showing Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.

Beastly Boy

(12,783 posts)
18. There is no cinsensus in the international community, but it has its share of particularly vocal antisemites,
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:44 AM
6 hrs ago

The ICJ prosecutorKarim Khan has arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant, on "reasonable grounds to believe" that they "bear criminal responsibility" in certain war crimes, none of which include genocide or apartheid.

Amnesty and HRW are not the competent legal authority in matters of war crimes, so they are free to issue all sorts of irrelevant shit.

EdmondDantes_

(542 posts)
27. That's a fine distinction you're making
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:24 PM
5 hrs ago

The ICJ has ruled that they can't yet confirm genocide, but that's it's plausible.

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/26/1227078791/icj-israel-genocide-gaza-palestinians-south-africa

If you're having to justify a position with the court having ruled that Israel has plausibly committed war crimes and genocide, but not definitely, really threading a moral needle. I believe the Bush administration took a similar view on water boarding. Both sides have chosen immoral violence. Unfortunately neither side's supporters can admit to their side's culpability.

And as for dismissing Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch because they have no legal authority so their opinion is meaningless, perhaps we should consider your own lack of legal authority and be equally dismissive of what you say.

Beastly Boy

(12,783 posts)
40. The ICJ order:
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:03 PM
5 hrs ago
The Court then turns to the condition of the link between the plausible rights claimed by South Africa and the provisional measures requested.
- 6 -
The Court considers that, by their very nature, at least some of the provisional measures sought by South Africa are aimed at preserving the plausible rights it asserts on the basis of the Genocide Convention in the present case, namely the right of the Palestinians in Gaza to be protected from acts of genocide and related prohibited acts mentioned in Article III, and the right of South Africa to seek Israel’s compliance with the latter’s obligations under the Convention. Therefore, a link exists between the rights claimed by South Africa that the Court has found to be plausible, and at least some of the provisional measures requested.
https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203454

ICJ repeatedly clarified their position for the media: It is plausible that South Africa has grounds to bring charges, not that their charges are plausible.

I didn't say it, ICJ did.Try to dismiss THAT.

Beastly Boy

(12,783 posts)
43. Very appropriate. If the animal talks like an antisemite, walks like an antisemite, quacks like an antisemite,
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:15 PM
5 hrs ago

it's an antisemite.

malaise

(285,598 posts)
5. African Americans (students and non-students have been ostracized for four centuries
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 10:51 AM
7 hrs ago

That is all

Beastly Boy

(12,783 posts)
10. Indeed.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:08 AM
7 hrs ago

So you can sympathize with Jewish American students and non-students with a similar history of being discriminated against.

Especially considering that the number antisemitic incidents in the US today exceed racist incidents by a factor of four to one.

malaise

(285,598 posts)
12. Jews do not have a similar history in universities
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:20 AM
6 hrs ago

Last edited Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:09 PM - Edit history (1)

The entire notion of DEI is to assume we are only there by special favor..

Is there anti-Semitism. Yes - but nothing like our experience certainly not in universities.

Beastly Boy

(12,783 posts)
14. You mentioned "students and non-students"
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:30 AM
6 hrs ago

Certainly there is a great deal of similarities between Blacks and Jews in that category.

As far as American education system, one can argue that it is decidedly Euro-centric. In this respect, European Jews (but not Jews from Africa or Asia) have a distinct advantage over African Americans, but it doesn't compare to the advantages of White Anglo-Saxon Christians.

And it begins in grade schools.

malaise

(285,598 posts)
16. True but African and Asian Jews also face serious problems
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:37 AM
6 hrs ago

in Israel. Ask the Ethiopians.

JI7

(92,116 posts)
17. The African and Asian Jews are some of the most right wing Jews inside and outside Israel
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:41 AM
6 hrs ago

Beastly Boy

(12,783 posts)
19. All newly arrived Jews in Israel, no matter where they come from, face serious problems.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:49 AM
6 hrs ago

Just as all newly arrived immigrants in the US, or any other country in the world do.

Are we done with American universities now?

BuddhaGirl

(3,674 posts)
6. When the Shah was overthrown in Iran
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 10:58 AM
7 hrs ago

I remember lots of Middle Eastern students and those who looked Middle Eastern were targeted and harassed. My ex from Turkey attended college here in CA at that time and experienced it.

Beastly Boy

(12,783 posts)
11. I remember those times. The bigots couldn't care less if
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:16 AM
7 hrs ago

the students had nothing to do with the Ayatollahs. And I remember the bigots couldn't tell the difference between an Iranian, a Turk or a Sikh. Pure ignorance usually goes together with the hate.

Attilatheblond

(6,391 posts)
15. Before the Shah was overthrown in Iran, I remember EVERY prof and insturctor telling Iranian students NOT to speak
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:31 AM
6 hrs ago

as there were agents of that despot on campus and speaking out would put targets on their backs. It was a tiny, rural community college in California.

People of other nations, faiths, cultures have all had problems on US campuses.

Zohran25

(24 posts)
20. The left is not antisemitic.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 11:50 AM
6 hrs ago

The people on the left speaking for Palestine are majority not antisemitic. Some of the biggest antisemites are actually fine with Israel as seen with the European far-right parties.

Beastly Boy

(12,783 posts)
21. It's the far left. And most are not antisemites, but they tolerate antisemites in their ranks.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:04 PM
6 hrs ago

Zohran25

(24 posts)
24. Mamdani was trying to explain the origin of the word intifada.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:16 PM
6 hrs ago

It literally means uprising in Arabic. Good job posting that rotten POS Andrew Cuomo who is one of the legal advisors to Netanyahu against the ICJ ruling.

JI7

(92,116 posts)
26. Mamdani should call for all the Islamic nations to be non Islamic
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:24 PM
5 hrs ago

he has a problem with one tiny nation being Jewish but nothing about all thirst Islamic nations.

Zohran25

(24 posts)
29. Israel is a ethno -supremacist state.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:31 PM
5 hrs ago

Not any different from Rhodesia or pre-1994 South Africa.

Zohran25

(24 posts)
31. Those are theocracies, not ethno states.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:36 PM
5 hrs ago

Big difference.

All Jews can become citizens in Israel. The same rule does not apply to a Muslim to say Iran.

JI7

(92,116 posts)
36. It's one tiny Jewish state with 25 percent non jews.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:51 PM
5 hrs ago

Jews from other parts of middle east and africa with Muslim majorities were kicked out.

Beastly Boy

(12,783 posts)
28. "Globalize the uprising"
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:25 PM
5 hrs ago

Uprising against whom, and why does it need to be globalized? And why use the Arabic term unless it is meant to refer to what English speakers came to identify with violence and terrorism?

JI7

(92,116 posts)
25. The trash that shot the Jewish Couple to death and people justifying it including on this site
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:23 PM
5 hrs ago

Zohran25

(24 posts)
32. One of the dead was a Christian.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:38 PM
5 hrs ago

Just because one loon committed crimes does not mean this problem is exclusively to the left.

JI7

(92,116 posts)
35. The target was still Jewish people and it wasn't just that one person as he had
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:49 PM
5 hrs ago

supporters including on this site.

Zohran25

(24 posts)
44. Only one of the target was Jewish.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:50 PM
4 hrs ago

Even while I condemn such actions they pale compared to the genocide in Gaza that has been funded by the US government and continues to have bipartisan support.

sarisataka

(21,786 posts)
33. See the DSA rally after October 7
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:39 PM
5 hrs ago

Celebrating the rape, murder and kidnapping done by Hamas

Oneironaut

(6,029 posts)
39. This is unfortunately very true.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:00 PM
5 hrs ago

Jewish people are a favorite target of extremists of all kinds, and, usually for the same brain-dead reasons, e.g. bigoted conspiracies.

Behind the Aegis

(55,447 posts)
34. 'Splainin', Squirrels and Strawmen, OH MY!
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:40 PM
5 hrs ago

Always refreshing when the topic is anti-Semitism or concerns of Jews, we are regaled with 'splaining (NO, no silly Jew, I really know what anti-Semitism is and isn't!, like anti-Zionism isn't really anti-Semitc but linking to anti-Semitism is!!) , strawmen (NO! Criticism of Israel isn't anti-Semitic!), and squirrels (Sure Jews have it bad (so they say), but whatabout all these other groups?!).

Oneironaut

(6,029 posts)
37. (Not at OP) - I find it wild that people can't hold two ideas at once: Palestinian children don't deserve to be bombed,
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:56 PM
5 hrs ago

AND, Jewish students shouldn't be singled out and harassed (or worse) because of things Israel has done. Associating Jewish students with Israel is blatantly antisemitic. It's frustrating to see people commit to either "side" and resort to absurdities, falling over themselves to justify the terrible things Hamas, some protesters, or Israel have done.

October 7th was an act of evil. Carpet bombing Gaza and killing aid workers is an ongoing act of evil. Israel was the victim on October 7th, and, Palestinian civilians are an ongoing victim of Israel. How are these things so hard to admit?

Srkdqltr

(8,532 posts)
38. The problem is with the government in Israel and how people respond to it. Complain to them.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 12:56 PM
5 hrs ago

Beastly Boy

(12,783 posts)
42. Antisemitisn has been a problem way before people started responding to the government in Israel.
Sun Jun 22, 2025, 01:13 PM
5 hrs ago

And the parallels between this long history of responses and current responses purporting to be exclusively against the government in Israel are not coincidental. The ones I an talking about parrot the familiar antisemitic tropes, this time masked as criticism of Israel. Or its government. Or Zionism.

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