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SSJVegeta

(734 posts)
3. Its cut and dry. But even so, I'm not entirely confident folowing the laws and basic due process is guaranteed anymore
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 04:58 PM
9 hrs ago

...even for citizens. ICE agents need to start going to prison for this crap if we ever want to see an end to it.

azureblue

(2,455 posts)
7. he was arrested
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 05:18 PM
8 hrs ago

for asking for ID and paperwork. They had no legal authority to kidnap anyone.

What he did was expose the fact they have no legal warrant to arrest anyone, any they got all butt hurt and attacked him.

I hope NY will start arresting ICE thugs. Even if they have ID. Treat them just like they are treating the people they are kidnapping..

allegorical oracle

(5,133 posts)
9. Especially since the Minnesota tragedy. How can people be sure that the uniformed officers
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 05:28 PM
8 hrs ago

are legit? In public places and in groups, odds are they're on-the-level, but at some point, the sex/drug traffickers can dress like these anonymous officers and other crimes will occur.

Kid Berwyn

(20,743 posts)
2. Arresting people who simply stand up for the oppressed is NAZI.
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 04:56 PM
9 hrs ago

And that's what Trumpf wants for his Amerikkka.

Kid Berwyn

(20,743 posts)
5. False Arrest of a Public Figure
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 05:10 PM
8 hrs ago

That should be a crime. Certainly violates the Constitution.

newdeal2

(2,917 posts)
6. I want to know what the repercussions are
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 05:12 PM
8 hrs ago

If these ICE agents and Noem are unaccountable, then this will keep happening.

madville

(7,786 posts)
10. That's not generally how a federal arrest works
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 05:38 PM
8 hrs ago

He was arrested and then released. There weren’t any charges to be dropped since he’s not officially charged with anything yet. The SDNY just stated that they will investigate and determine if charges will be filed and/or brought before a grand jury for indictment. Could take a few days or weeks for that, just like with the NJ ICE facility indictment.

SSJVegeta

(734 posts)
12. Im pretty sure all arrests require charges at the time of arrest.
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 06:51 PM
7 hrs ago

What does this statement mean?

Lander was released several hours later. New York Gov. Kathy Hochul said charges against him have been dropped.

madville

(7,786 posts)
13. She was wrong because SDNY
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 07:06 PM
6 hrs ago

The federal prosecutor for the Southern District of New York issued a statement after Hochul’s saying they would be investigating the incident. They are the ones that will ultimately decide on filing charges and seeking an indictment from a federal grand jury.

That’s why Hochul’s statement didn’t make much sense, federal arrests typically go before a grand jury before charges can be formally filed, there weren’t any charges to be dropped yet. It’s also not up to the federal agents who arrested him to file or drop charges, they can release him after the arrest and gathering his information, but formally filing charges would go through the SDNY office.

SSJVegeta

(734 posts)
14. Thanks
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 07:22 PM
6 hrs ago

I found an article -i think courthouse news, describing what you said.

Still, one of the first comments explains that no proof of authorization, or justification for the arrest, exists. Which I guess is part of the reason he was released so quickly.

If they could not provide proof of authorization, I cant imagine they will have much to charge him on.

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