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https://substack.com/inbox/post/165658733?fbclid=IwY2xjawK-Q-RleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHl8PQYh9WG-6uuPXYQO5BzrEiJv9VweTkJc6a-VHicPxurAtcP4Q059t4Gjo_aem_HoFB_uGcaEjb3ciZ62ggmAIs there a cyber expert here who can comment on whether/how this might have worked?
Thanks. Wish I could push my senator etc but I am in TN

tritsofme
(19,273 posts)And I hear she is looking for some new suckers to scam!
Much easier to believe that the rapist felon pedo won all 7 swing states (something even Obama didn't achieve). I mean he is so popular, did you see the gi normous crowds at his birthday party 😉 😜
Hugin
(36,237 posts)Point OP.
EdmondDantes_
(530 posts)Why have none of the people on the campaign especially the ones focused on protecting voting not bought into this? Why are Democrats in the states like Pennsylvania, like North Carolina not buying into this?
The evidence doesn't support the author's conclusions. It's all poorly informed suppositions.
Ponietz
(3,917 posts)Pennsylvanias Secretary of Commonwealth, who oversees elections, was hand-picked by Governor Josh Shapiro. Until someone like him talks its a non issue with me.
90 million people didnt vote. This theory reinforces their ignorance and apathy. Keep on with this and next time it will be 95 million non voters.
Lump and Republicans were trolling us with their claims in 2020. Lump and Musk were trolling us saying or implying 2024 was rigged. Gullible people believe trolls why believe the trolls now when you didnt in 2020? This is what the Pukes want us to talk about.
stillcool
(34,204 posts)Have the Secretary of State stop the recount, and have the Supreme Court give the election to Bush The CT being tossed around about immigrants voting, election workers stealing votes, dead people voting, people voting multiple times, same stuff year after year. Electronic voting or the "Help America Vote Act" opened up a whole new can of worms on how to eff with elections. Improvising and tweaking strategy on how to steal votes changes with each election. That is not CT, it's human nature. And taking what has been done and using it against everyone else is also typical of every crime committed. Bothsiderism reigns supreme. Everyone doing their part to poison the well.
Ponietz
(3,917 posts)Hornedfrog2000
(261 posts)About the 'Russia hoax', where almost nobody was talking about it except a small handful of people here, and people like John Brennan basically saying something wreaked. All of us believers were crazy.
Ponietz
(3,917 posts)Id bet money that Russian bots are amplifying this CT on X, Meta, and Tic-Toc. Really sad to see good people fall for it.
Fiendish Thingy
(19,558 posts)I prefer the blunter description of Kooky CT Nonsense
stillcool
(34,204 posts)if you so desire. Each state has their own election laws about the who, why, and how that are necessary to ask for a recount. Election laws are not uniform.
https://www.brennancenter.org/
It is astounding how messed up our elections have been and no one cares, until after the election, and then they demand someone from outside of their state fix it. The people in the state have the power and do nothing. I don't think they'll even care when elections are no more. Do you?
Self Esteem
(2,237 posts)What a weird, wild statement.
The evolution of what is considered a swing state has changed significantly since Obama was president.
Like, in 2012, Ohio and Florida were considered swing states. Guess what? Harris didn't consider them swing states and had both down as a loss.
If you remember, Obama won both Ohio and Florida.
In 2012, Georgia and Arizona were not considered swing states. Obama did not really actively campaign in either. They were considered swing states in 2016, 2020 and 2024. But they were still lean-Republican as both have only gone to the Democrats twice in the past 40 years.
North Carolina was the only "swing state" Obama lost in 2012. And it's a state he barely won in his 2008 landslide. It's also a state the Democrats have one only once in the last 50 years.
Trump won every state he carried in 2016 plus Nevada, in an election where he was far more popular than he had been back during his first run. Anyone who half-paid attention to the polls and what Harris was saying/doing would have known this.
The truth is, Harris' own internal polling always had her down in most swing states, which is why she kept reminding everyone she was the underdog.
People who refuse to accept the reality are sounding no different than election deniers post-2020. Hell, many are employing the same reasoning nearly verbatim.
IbogaProject
(4,511 posts)Those only happened in crucial blue precints in swing states. Tabulators were switched midday in the tabulation office by Penn State University. The problem is if the GOP cheatedthey may propigate some distracting false stories to muddy the waters. But I agree we ran too centrist and did that futile ploy courting GOP women instead of targeting the undecided.
tritsofme
(19,273 posts)that changed the outcome of the election.
Just like they did in 2020 with the MAGA crowd, grifters are pushing goofy conspiracy theories, and desperate people are soaking them up.
BComplex
(9,459 posts)The crooks in charge of the election in 2024 STOLE votes, disenfranchised votes, didn't count votes from democrats, and rigged machines.
They just did it.
tritsofme
(19,273 posts)As was noted below, he chooses to live in the reality based community.
I just wish people embracing the exact same Trump-style conspiracy theories that were pushed by MAGA four years ago would rejoin us there.
Fiendish Thingy
(19,558 posts)Just like Rudy and Sidney.
BComplex
(9,459 posts)And elon told him he stole pennsylvania. Trump told his audience they never would have to vote again, and that he had all the votes he needed BEFORE election day.
Fiendish Thingy
(19,558 posts)Evidence is something introduced and accepted in a court of law, which no one has done because there is no evidence.
stopdiggin
(13,901 posts)evidence? That's just kinda' sad.
cadoman
(1,346 posts)https://www.newsweek.com/company-changes-2024-voting-machines-2083888
To most, Tripp Lite was just a hardware brandbattery backups, surge protectors, power strips. But in Americas elections, Tripp Lite devices were something else entirely.
They are physically connected to ES&S central tabulators and Electionware servers, and Dominion tabulators and central servers across the country. And they arent dumb devices. They are smart UPS unitsprogrammable, updatable, and capable of communicating directly with the election system via USB, serial port, or Ethernet.
Don't you think EAC would catch it if Tripp Lite were an issue? Their methods are highly rigorous.
Tbone421
(29 posts)Eaton is a company that makes UPS's of all sizes for data centers, server farms, etc. A UPS is a battery backup that will power the IT hardware during a power outage......usually just to cover the gap to when the generator fires up.
As technology has advanced, so has the software that runs on these UPS's. Back in the 1900s, the UPSs were just connected to the power cables that power all of the IT gear. But these days the UPS's are connected in more ways.....they have USB and ethernet connectivity. So they are potentially connected to the internet. This allows for real time monitoring, automatic updates, etc.
So, this article is claiming that the Eaton UPS's were used to alter how the votes were tabulated, and then this other company - Palantir - provided the software to remove the digital traces of the altered vote counting. The claim is that the Eaton battery system was connected to voting tabulation machines via UPS, and then I think also to the internet via ethernet. The Eaton battery systems had the secret code hidden, ready to go, and it was activated remotely. The article claims that the Eaton battery systems could have had root access to the voting computers or machines over USB.
The article goes into details about who was running which company when, and who had ties with Elon, etc. They claim Elon assisted by using Starlink to put everything into motion, and maybe also manipulate the data......
cadoman
(1,346 posts)But is it relevant if EAC and CISA are monitoring and have confirmed the equipment is good and safe?
Both of these are powerful billionaires and of course they are only one or two degrees of separation from just about anything you can imagine, from pigs feet to video games to cellular service.
Initech
(105,284 posts)The biggest conspiracy theorist in Congress investing a company that wants to track and monitor your every move, while also creating a totally not Nazi at all database of immigrants is certainly a pull.
Fiendish Thingy
(19,558 posts)angrychair
(10,721 posts)It does sound crazy. But left to its own devices it leaves unexplained how, in multiple Democratic counties, all down ballot Democrats won by significant majorities but in every case I've seen, Harris got zero votes and the Mango Mussolini got all of them. How did he get 100% of the vote in a deep blue but small county?
Wiz Imp
(5,428 posts)If you disagree, then how about providing proof of Trump getting 100% of the vote in a deep blue but small county? You can't do it because IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
lapfog_1
(30,981 posts)I actually do have the credentials to comment on this.
1) speculations are not facts
2) OTOH, there are many ways to hack voting machines and do so undetected. But nothing to do with Starlink or UPS battery systems or or or.
3) UPS systems typically have ethernet connections ( or USB but in modern Data Centers, ethernet ). If the people designing the DC are NOT careful, the call home software inside these systems could be configured to be on internal networks ( behind firewalls ), and that would allow the UPS system to at least have one less security hurdle to inject malware into a computer system. Real malware can alter anything in a computer system and, if done by professionals, leave NO trace. But you would need a very deep understanding of the operating systems and storage systems used by modern servers.
4) Could something have happened, sure. Did something happen, we will likely never know UNLESS someone comes forward and tells the tale and exactly how it was done.
In my opinion, the only way to prevent this going forward is to have only paper ballots, collected under the supervision of people from all parties, and monitored by an international body and counted by hand multiple times. It might take weeks to get the results and in our society, apparently, such a delay is possibly unacceptable. We should allow a couple of weeks for people to turn in their paper ballots. Voter suppression is the real culprit that is provable and happening in every election.
Metaphorical
(2,437 posts)I think that voting machines are fine for voters selecting candidates, but ONLY if the VM then prints out a filled ballot and the ballot itself can be reviewed before being collected. Hand collation and counting. The ballot produces a bar code in addition to the printed output as OCR, and a reviewer (onsite) can then compare the digital version (encoded) to the OCR version (unencoded) before saving the printed version for archive and auditing purposes. It won't catch all fraud, but it provides a good statistical sanity check.
Most voting systems are not built around airgaps, and with bluetooth adapters, hacking into an airgap system may actually net you a connection pretty regularly (most people do not turn off bluetooth or wireless USB).
Statistically, there are too many places where the data just does not feel right - when you start getting into consistent six and seven sigma unlikelihoods all biased in one way, the chance that the data was fraudulent goes up considerably.
Botany
(74,440 posts)This wasnt a theory. It was a full-scale operation. A systemic digital occupationclean, credentialed, and remote-controlled.
Leo gave the money.
Thiels Palantir massaged the data
Musk used Starlink to move the new data into the tabulators.
I had an idea that it was the central tabulators all the time.
Doodley
(11,058 posts)Botany
(74,440 posts)N/t
Blue Full Moon
(2,277 posts)Trump's casino used slot machines for money laundering to Russians. The largest fine. By the way James Baker commented on it in the Commission on voting that he chaired with Jimmy Carter.
Silent Type
(10,037 posts)Botany
(74,440 posts)The odds that the election would break out the way it did.
Fiendish Thingy
(19,558 posts)We used to be part of the reality based community
Sympthsical
(10,663 posts)Between election denialism, the belief in a "staged" assassination attempt, and the endless stream of BlueAnon social media accepted uncritically as a main form of content, stick a fork in it.
I'd say it's a shame, but it didn't happen overnight. The function of the space made it inevitable.
Oh well.
Fiendish Thingy
(19,558 posts)BComplex
(9,459 posts)They buy the government they want. The republicans had screamed "stolen election" so much for 4 years, totally insane, that the dems were too cowed to yell stolen election when it was so fucking obvious to the entire world! Numbers have NEVER rolled in like they did in 2024. Never. It was rigged from start to finish. The trump cabal TOLD us it was. Believe them.
tritsofme
(19,273 posts)They are just too cowed to say anything?
Dont you see how ridiculous and delusional this sounds?
BComplex
(9,459 posts)pointing fingers at someone expressing their point of view as "ridiculous and delusional". You need to back off that kind of name calling.
After you do that, you might consider who we're talking about. Leonard Leo. Elon Musk. Donald Trump. Chris LaCivita. And all of the very extreme right wing media, and supreme court crooks, and felons in and around the white house. The news reports the day before the election talked about how the entire trump election team were all turning on each other and pointing fingers at who and what were to blame for the disaster they saw coming for themselves. They all thought they were going to lose, and lose badly. So did the rest of the country. Polls be damned, because now days polls are for sale...just ask musk.
Everyone was in shock the day after the election.
All over the world countries thought our election was stolen. Trump said it was, and he has a serious quirk where he thinks if you admit to a crime, then you're not going to be held responsible for that crime. He has shown that over and over, and it's been reported over and over.
I'm standing by my belief that trump/musk/Russia/LaCivita/Thiel/Leo etc rigged/stole/bomb-threatened our election.
tritsofme
(19,273 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 17, 2025, 01:56 PM - Edit history (1)
Full stop.
Our rules generally frown on folks spreading malicious lies about Democratic leaders as well.
Who else accused Biden and Harris of covering up a stolen election? Oh, thats right, Trump in 2020. The absurdity of it all would really be quite humorous were it not so pathetic.
Where are these leaders of other countries who believe the election was stolen? Is that just a lie?
Fiendish Thingy
(19,558 posts)Just as in 2020, no credible evidence has been introduced and accepted in a court of law that even suggests the 2024 election was stolen, rigged or that votes were altered or tampered with.
angryxyouth
(246 posts)Peer reviewed statistic analysis of the election that shows the probability that votes were manipulated in swing states Is out there. There are law suits that have started which ask the secretaries of state such as Pennsylvania to do a full hand recount in the most populous counties. Check out the links I have provided. In #25 reply
Fiendish Thingy
(19,558 posts)Theyll get to the bottom of it for sure.
If the votes were manipulated, then why werent down ballot races manipulated too?
Why wasnt the Wisconsin Supreme Court race manipulated to rig the race for Musks preferred candidate- why would Musk allow himself to be publicly embarrassed if he had the tools to throw race?
Joinfortmill
(18,221 posts)Someday we will learn what it was.
angryxyouth
(246 posts)Go to https://smartelections.us/2024-election-update
https://youtube.com/@electiontruthalliance?si=r5bCiSESZoEjBqj_
Or ETA website for actual data electiontruthalliance.org
Walter R Mebane from the University of Michigan who also worked for USAID doing statistical analysis of foreign elections
https://websites.umich.edu/~wmebane/
Doodley
(11,058 posts)We live in Georgia and got no flyers from Democrats and TWELVE, no exaggeration---I counted them---flyers for Trump, by Musk's America PAC, with messages that the Democrats tried to kill Trump, and that only Trump can fix everything, and Democrats are soft on immigration and crime.
AlexSFCA
(6,311 posts)that makes one fall for a baseless conspiracy theory rather than believing that voters are dumb enough to elect a convicted felon.
stillcool
(34,204 posts)have ever been lied to by their government. All those people showing up to protest? CT.
Doodley
(11,058 posts)Response to stillcool (Reply #39)
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Historic NY
(39,031 posts)the demographics in particular in those listed district the Hadisic bullet vote . I've worked as an election observer in the 2008 election in Orange and saw flyers distributed showing who they should vote for. This is nothing new.
https://www.shtetl.org/article/analyzing-the-haredi-vote-in-the-2024-general-election]
https://www.jns.org/what-impact-will-orthodox-jews-have-on-the-election/]
questionseverything
(10,926 posts)stopdiggin
(13,901 posts)for the entertainment of those that desperately WANT to believe something.
When the people actually running (and verifying) our elections - you know, those people whose business it is? - come forward with apologies (and credible evidence to back it up) - that's when I start listening. And until then - the coulda', 'maybe', stuff belongs over in the corner along with all the other conspiracy crap.
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Initech
(105,284 posts)I swear on election night, I had this existential sense of fear and dread that I haven't felt since 9/11. Our country is under attack from extremely hostile forces that seek to do great harm with this stupid fuck in charge.
I have a feeling something will come out eventually. TSF and his cronies cant keep everything hidden forever. But the dread you feel is something I feel - it hasnt stopped since Election Day.
Polybius
(20,205 posts)We all know that he always does better than expected, so it came as no surprise to me that he won them all.