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canetoad

(19,129 posts)
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 06:52 PM 14 hrs ago

WTF is trump playing now?

Trump says everyone in Iran's capital must immediately evacuate

US President Donald Trump has urged everyone to immediately evacuate Iran's capital, Tehran.

In a post on Truth Social, he reiterated Iran should have signed a nuclear deal with the United States.

"Iran should have signed the 'deal' I told them to sign," he said in the post.

"What a shame, and waste of human life.

"Simply stated, IRAN CAN NOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON.

"I said it over and over again! Everyone should immediately evacuate Tehran!"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-17/iran-israel-conflict-live-updates-iran-state-broadcaster-strikes/105424264

This is from a live online blog and was posted 8 minutes ago. Is trump suggesting that the US is about to nuke Tehran?
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WTF is trump playing now? (Original Post) canetoad 14 hrs ago OP
Probably he has head's up ITAL 14 hrs ago #1
Yup, sounds like the sequel to Disaffected 13 hrs ago #13
I'm not so sure about it being non-nuclear... regnaD kciN 7 hrs ago #30
Trump is insane, he needs to be institutionalized. sop 14 hrs ago #2
It's not Trump, though he is insane. AloeVera 14 hrs ago #7
He also told the G6 that the bad men Obama and Trudeau kicked Russia out of the G7.... viva la 14 hrs ago #3
Wonder why all those RC-135s headed east last night unc70 14 hrs ago #4
KCs or RCs? If the former, we want ability to run large groups of bombers from US bases & back. If we get sucked in... dutch777 13 hrs ago #19
However, if they do drop a dirty bomb, the wind pattern will blow radioactivity dhol82 12 hrs ago #22
KC tankers. Sorry for confusion unc70 8 hrs ago #23
Iran actually HAD a nuclear deal with US and the world. Trump ended US participation blm 14 hrs ago #5
Thank you! KT2000 13 hrs ago #18
Because the media suck NoRethugFriends 8 hrs ago #26
This message was self-deleted by its author NoRethugFriends 8 hrs ago #27
This is a crisis of Trump's own making. thought crime 4 hrs ago #35
if anyone nukes or even MOABs Tehran lapfog_1 14 hrs ago #6
Does Israel have bombers capable if delivering a MOAB Disaffected 13 hrs ago #14
"Does Israel have bombers capable of delivering a MOAB?" speak easy 4 hrs ago #33
Holy shit malaise 14 hrs ago #8
It's the other madman. AloeVera 13 hrs ago #15
Sadly you are correct malaise 13 hrs ago #16
JHC. I HAVE BEEN TO TEHRAN. THis is a sprawling city of 9.7 million people/16.8 million including suburbs hlthe2b 13 hrs ago #9
The G6 have an opportunity to end this madness C_U_L8R 13 hrs ago #10
I heard this morning that Iran was tellling TelAviv to evac and Israel was telling Tehran to evac. So who knows. Amaryllis 13 hrs ago #11
The difference is that Israel has the ability to devastate Tehran and Iran does not have the ability to PufPuf23 8 hrs ago #25
Please US military arrest these notsees, every last one of them. Clouds Passing 13 hrs ago #12
Wonder if this story is connected -- has to do with Air Force sending nuclear codes... allegorical oracle 13 hrs ago #17
Seems like it's possible canetoad 12 hrs ago #21
He's playing at being the war president. ananda 12 hrs ago #20
He's an offended narcissist who is lashing out C_U_L8R 5 hrs ago #32
This is what it looks like when the guardrails are gone. thought crime 4 hrs ago #36
I think he knows something about Netanyahu's plans. LudwigPastorius 8 hrs ago #24
Was he trying to make himself relevant? Seem important? Claim the limelight? NH Ethylene 7 hrs ago #28
"by executive decree, that a State of War now exists between the United States and Iran. NBachers 7 hrs ago #29
Without Congressional approval C_U_L8R 5 hrs ago #31
Chaos over there might give me some respite Frasier Balzov 4 hrs ago #34
Is Trump playing, or is Trump being played? thought crime 3 hrs ago #37

ITAL

(1,068 posts)
1. Probably he has head's up
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 06:55 PM
14 hrs ago

That Israel is gonna bomb them to hell and back. Likely not with nuclear weapons, but with everything else they have.

AloeVera

(2,999 posts)
7. It's not Trump, though he is insane.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:03 PM
14 hrs ago

It's Israel, also insane imho. Israel has warned Tehran residents to evacuate. Israel is going to bomb the city to hell. This is real. And so, so predicted. Israel must be reigned in, it's a bonkers effing rogue state!

viva la

(4,134 posts)
3. He also told the G6 that the bad men Obama and Trudeau kicked Russia out of the G7....
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 06:58 PM
14 hrs ago

and there wouldn't have been a war if they hadn't done that.

That was the FIRST thing he said to the G6. Our best allies.

He's a traitor.

unc70

(6,420 posts)
4. Wonder why all those RC-135s headed east last night
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:00 PM
14 hrs ago

Made me think of when in MiB that all the aliens started fleeing NYC.

dutch777

(4,560 posts)
19. KCs or RCs? If the former, we want ability to run large groups of bombers from US bases & back. If we get sucked in...
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 08:04 PM
13 hrs ago

...to this war, which Bibi very much wants. Even with our heavy bombers and bunker busting bombs it is highly unlikely that Iran's nuclear capability will be stopped. Slowed yes, stopped no. And I suspect Israel just handed the darkest Iranian hard liners the opportunity to actually push toward a dirty bomb that can be smuggled into Haifa or some port and exact revenge by killing thousands, sickening tens of thousands more for life and making a huge area radioactively contaminated for decades. They don't need missiles that are vulnerable to capable air defenses nor a large number of warheads to release nuclear terrorism.

dhol82

(9,552 posts)
22. However, if they do drop a dirty bomb, the wind pattern will blow radioactivity
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 08:39 PM
12 hrs ago

Eastwards into Iran. Is this to their benefit?

unc70

(6,420 posts)
23. KC tankers. Sorry for confusion
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 12:36 AM
8 hrs ago

I keep an eye on both types of planes. They each are strong indicators of what our military is doing.

KT2000

(21,489 posts)
18. Thank you!
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:57 PM
13 hrs ago

That is what I thought and am wondering why media is not talking about that. As I recall it was verifiable.

Response to KT2000 (Reply #18)

lapfog_1

(30,976 posts)
6. if anyone nukes or even MOABs Tehran
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:03 PM
14 hrs ago

That nation, whoever it is, will instantly become the worst nation on earth, people will immediately shun it, have nothing to do with it.

It is simply beyond the pale.

we nuked two cities in Japan, firebombed Dresden. But that was after years of declared wars and known war crimes by the aggressor fascist / military governments. And we instantly started second guessing the decision to do those things.

speak easy

(11,719 posts)
33. "Does Israel have bombers capable of delivering a MOAB?"
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 04:09 AM
4 hrs ago

No. MOABs are 'delivered' from B2s.

AloeVera

(2,999 posts)
15. It's the other madman.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:39 PM
13 hrs ago

With complicity from madman #1.

Israeli forces issued an evacuation order to residents of a large part of Tehran on Monday, warning them of the imminent bombing of “military infrastructure” in the area in a social media post very similar to those regularly directed at Palestinians in Gaza over the past 20 months.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/16/iran-threatens-to-leave-nuclear-weapons-treaty-as-israeli-bombing-enters-fourth-day

He will do to Tehran/Iran what he did to Gaza. Piece by piece. And no one will effing STOP him!

hlthe2b

(110,236 posts)
9. JHC. I HAVE BEEN TO TEHRAN. THis is a sprawling city of 9.7 million people/16.8 million including suburbs
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:10 PM
13 hrs ago

and it is bordered and literally at the foot of the Alborz mountain range, with the city's northernmost limits reaching the mountains. Specifically, Mount Tochal, a prominent peak within the Alborz, is very close to the city. Mount Damavand, the highest peak in Iran, is only 42 miles northeast of Tehran.

So, exactly WHERE are these people supposed to go? Is this a threat of conventional or nuclear attack by this ignorant, murderous moron?

C_U_L8R

(47,527 posts)
10. The G6 have an opportunity to end this madness
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:11 PM
13 hrs ago

Will it be Julius Caesar or Mountainhead ?

Amaryllis

(10,477 posts)
11. I heard this morning that Iran was tellling TelAviv to evac and Israel was telling Tehran to evac. So who knows.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:11 PM
13 hrs ago

PufPuf23

(9,442 posts)
25. The difference is that Israel has the ability to devastate Tehran and Iran does not have the ability to
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 12:49 AM
8 hrs ago

devastate Tel Aviv nor the ability to defend its territory nor citizens from the Israeli military.

Iran can toss some blind missiles and a few will get through. Israel already controls the airspace.

Worry about the USA being drawn into the war. What will be the aftermath?

Reportedly, Pakistan has threatened to nuke Israel. Probably a hollow threat as well.

allegorical oracle

(5,126 posts)
17. Wonder if this story is connected -- has to do with Air Force sending nuclear codes...
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 07:45 PM
13 hrs ago
Thought it was alarmist because such codes get sent out for test purposes, but --

The US Air Force has broadcast two encrypted emergency codes, typically utilized for crucial military communications, sometimes pertaining to nuclear command and control.

The initial Emergency Action Message (EAM) was aired on Saturday, exhibiting a complexity far beyond the standard signals that usually span around 30 characters.

snip

A subsequent communication was issued on Sunday, this time extending to 290 characters, again through the US Air Force's High Frequency Global Communications System, reports the Mirror US.

snip

"An Emergency Action Message (EAM) is a coded U.S. military communication, often for nuclear command or critical operations, sent via the High Frequency Global Communications System," Grok AI clarified for users.

"It could signal a complex operation or be a routine test, as both are common. Without decryption or official statements, its significance remains speculative."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-air-force-sends-out-nuclear-emergency-codes-as-ww3-fears-rise/ar-AA1GNXBz

ananda

(32,184 posts)
20. He's playing at being the war president.
Mon Jun 16, 2025, 08:07 PM
12 hrs ago

He loves playing the tough guy with nukes.

He tried it the first term, but Mark Milley
stopped him.

C_U_L8R

(47,527 posts)
32. He's an offended narcissist who is lashing out
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 03:44 AM
5 hrs ago

World leaders ignore and ridicule him, a majority of the country marches against him and his own birthday pageant turned into a pathetic dribble of a parade. We're all going to pay the price because little lord Donald is butthurt.

LudwigPastorius

(12,684 posts)
24. I think he knows something about Netanyahu's plans.
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 12:41 AM
8 hrs ago

If Israel drops a big one, his half-assed "warning" gives him a tiny bit of distance between such a heinous act.

Bibi's calculus might be, "we're never going to have a more pro-militant supporter in the White House, so we may as well go for a kill shot against Iran now".

NH Ethylene

(31,161 posts)
28. Was he trying to make himself relevant? Seem important? Claim the limelight?
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 01:06 AM
7 hrs ago

What he did was chime in with Israel, which seems to place the US in a partnership with Israel in the conflict.

Or maybe he heard that Iran was backing down and wanted to be able to claim a victory for himself.

NBachers

(18,627 posts)
29. "by executive decree, that a State of War now exists between the United States and Iran.
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 01:14 AM
7 hrs ago

Furthermore, to unite our nation and silence dissent, I am declaring Martial Law. Armed Forces and National Guard have been mobilized in our largest cities, and resistors will be rounded up and taken to locations where they cannot betray us.”

C_U_L8R

(47,527 posts)
31. Without Congressional approval
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 03:39 AM
5 hrs ago

Or funding. The system is broken by complicit republican fools.

thought crime

(356 posts)
37. Is Trump playing, or is Trump being played?
Tue Jun 17, 2025, 05:31 AM
3 hrs ago

The fatal flaw of authoritarianism is that the leader’s whims are realized. Changing the Kennedy Center’s agenda to show that the Right likes the “right” kind of art or music is one thing, but creating a nuclear crisis is quite another. Trump loves to play the extortionist against weaker opponents, bullying and blustering until he gets some result. The very best scenario is that he’s doing that now. But it looks more likely that Trump himself is being extorted by Netanyahu and he is simply not qualified to deal with it.

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