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pat_k

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21. It is bad enough that women still must defend their right to make life altering choices about continuing a pregnancy..
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 08:49 PM
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Last edited Tue Nov 25, 2025, 10:10 PM - Edit history (2)

... now, they are not just denied that right, but their doctors are DENIED the choice to fulfill their hippocratic oath by performing a medical procedure that preserves the life of a woman over the continued "life" of a fetus -- a "life" which is either non-viable as a result of a defect or clearly non-viable under Roe v. Wade.

From Rev. Dr. Dan Brockway "I found Roe’s focus on fetal viability to be a decent compromise. Once a developing fetus has a fighting chance of surviving outside the womb, elective termination of the pregnancy (outside of serious health complications) is more or less objectively immoral.

When does life begin? Reckoning with surprising answers in Scripture
Rev. Dr. Dan Brockway
Jul 19, 2022

Excerpts

As Christians engage in the cultural debate over abortion following the overturning of Roe v. Wade, perhaps the biggest takeaway from surveying the Bible’s teaching around life and when it begins is that we need to exercise some humility.

For it was you who formed my inward parts;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.

On Jeramiah
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I consecrated you;
I appointed you a prophet to the nations.

God intimate knowledge of us -- not when.

Life begins at first breath
"Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."

Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

It would seem, therefore, that God’s law in the Old Testament recognizes a difference between human life outside the womb (once first breath has been drawn) and the potential life status of a developing fetus.

Perhaps the biggest takeaway from surveying the Bible’s teaching around life and when it begins is that we need to exercise some humility. As Christians, we should strive to relate all of our views and actions to Scripture. When the witness of Scripture is not fully clear—and especially when it clashes with our assumptions—that should call our own certainty into question and inspire humility.

Maybe we are not meant to fully understand when life begins. Maybe God—in God’s infinite wisdom—decided that such knowledge is beyond our paygrade. And maybe that’s okay.

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Safety as in...? WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #20
I'm not a health care provider.. Permanut Tuesday #22
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You have a point that "rare" as a policy goal can attach a stigma to it. pat_k Wednesday #42
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It is bad enough that women still must defend their right to make life altering choices about continuing a pregnancy.. pat_k Tuesday #21
Not one of you live in fear of having a miscarriage and being hauled off to jail Clouds Passing Tuesday #23
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