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MIButterfly

(1,628 posts) Thu Oct 30, 2025, 09:10 AM Oct 30

My aunt and I are taking a flight soon. [View all]

I expressed concern about the air traffic controllers and how they've already missed one paycheck and she said "well they make $104,000 a year." What does that have to do with anything? First of all, how do you know how much they make and what expenses they have? Even people with that kind of income can still live month-to-month. I just said "Bigger money, bigger bills." Missing a paycheck can be a hardship for anybody. You don't know their situation. They could have student loan debt; they could have outstanding medical bills; they could be the sole support of aging parents; they could have a deadbeat ex-partner who refuses to pay child support; they could be a divorced parent who has to pay child support; there are any number of reasons why missing a paycheck would not be no big deal. Not to mention that if you do the work, you get paid. This isn't a game. The stupid Republicans are messing with peoples' livelihoods. I imagine those bastards aren't missing any paychecks.

Do I have to mention what political party my aunt supports? The one my uncle tells her to, of course.

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My aunt and I are taking a flight soon. [View all] MIButterfly Oct 30 OP

my sister in law has sworn off flying after a liftime... samnsara Oct 30 #1

Thanks, samnsara. MIButterfly Oct 30 #2

try to remember barbtries Oct 30 #33

She's super sensitive to it? Happy Hoosier Oct 30 #12

Same With Me. ColoringFool Oct 30 #22

If only we had Europe's rail network! Lonestarblue Oct 30 #3

I grew up in Detroit and I guess because cars were built there, they expected everyone to have a car MIButterfly Oct 30 #6

Back in the 1920's everyone wanted a car, but it was a luxury FakeNoose Oct 30 #17

I think Chicago has a great public transit system. MIButterfly Oct 30 #21

Keep in mind that Europe is a lot smaller than the U. S. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 30 #8

Is China? barbtries Oct 30 #11

Did China start with overwhelming private car ownership? PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 30 #42

I think its China that has perfected the bullet train. peacebuzzard Oct 31 #53

Not really an excuse... Shipwack Oct 30 #20

Actually, it is the excuse. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 30 #43

In land mass Europe is slightly larger than the US spooky3 Oct 30 #28

It WAS easier to build good train service. But they have let it go bad DFW Oct 31 #51

Abysmal. I didn't know the system was deteriorating. peacebuzzard Oct 31 #54

It has been going downhill here for a while. A self-perpetuating bureaucracy has no interest in efficiency. DFW Oct 31 #63

sounds like five star Germany has devolved to the norms of the rest of the world.... peacebuzzard Oct 31 #67

I've never been to the Azores and don't speak much Portuguese DFW Oct 31 #68

Its been many decades since I have been to the Azores peacebuzzard Nov 1 #70

Porto is the one city there I actually DO know to some degree DFW Nov 1 #71

I think that is one of my dream towns to visit. Maybe the only one. peacebuzzard Nov 1 #73

Sorry to hear this, and sorry for you. In the 90s train travel spooky3 Oct 31 #61

You got that right!! DFW Oct 31 #64

I have four air travel trips coming up from November 05 - January 24. I am NOT looking forward to it. Pacifist Patriot Oct 30 #4

I was having occasional dizziness and imbalance like you describe FakeNoose Oct 30 #18

It's why I use motion sickness patches. miyazaki Oct 30 #34

Hmmm.... I'll bring that up with my ENT. Pacifist Patriot Oct 31 #49

good advice. barbtries Oct 30 #35

Vertigo is awful! Pacifist Patriot Oct 31 #50

I have so many specialists my phone contacts skew to D for Doctor. Pacifist Patriot Oct 31 #48

I have no intention of flying for at least three more years. Unless it's a one-way ticket out of the country. Borogove Oct 30 #5

I agree. Then I thought about those "rendition" airplane rides. All expenses paid. erronis Oct 30 #7

that's not an option in my world. barbtries Oct 30 #10

When I told my son that TSA agents are not getting paid, barbtries Oct 30 #9

Don't know about you, but I'm happy even while loathing and despising tRump Bernardo de La Paz Oct 30 #14

thanks barbtries Oct 30 #16

Grief, despair, & sadness I share with you, at times, but they pass before long & I become optimistic again Bernardo de La Paz Oct 30 #19

I'm sorry you had to endure that. Hope22 Oct 30 #25

I know who my ex-DIL's mother is barbtries Oct 30 #32

We flew Tuesday, will again next week RainCaster Oct 30 #13

how was it at the airports? barbtries Oct 30 #36

Mostly empty RainCaster Oct 31 #66

my last trip was to LAX barbtries Oct 31 #69

We make $110,000. Fortunately, it is SS and defined 3Hotdogs Oct 30 #15

That $8300 a month! maunagirl Oct 31 #45

Take off income tax. 3Hotdogs Oct 31 #56

I Quit flying Topomi Oct 30 #23

Everyone quit flying then. All planes were empty of passengers. peacebuzzard Oct 31 #55

Have a wonderful(?) trip with her. Wonder Why Oct 30 #24

I hope to have a wonderful trip DESPITE her! MIButterfly Oct 30 #27

Air traffic controllers are paid pretty well, and they should be. Ocelot II Oct 30 #26

I flew home from Heathrow to RDU mnhtnbb Oct 30 #29

Thanks, mnhtnbb! MIButterfly Oct 30 #37

My daughter makes over double that Tree Lady Oct 30 #30

Exactly! MIButterfly Oct 30 #38

Feel same way unfortunately she has been with Tree Lady Oct 30 #40

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 31 #47

Flying ms.pamela Oct 30 #31

Exactly. People like my aunt have absolutely no idea MIButterfly Oct 30 #39

Your aunt is very naive. RVN VET71 Oct 30 #41

Not necessarily. maunagirl Oct 31 #46

try living in a compact car for a week... ret5hd Oct 31 #58

If someone makes $100K a year maunagirl Oct 31 #44

It is more nuanced than that. Pacifist Patriot Oct 31 #52

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 31 #60

welcome to DU, muanagirl peacebuzzard Oct 31 #57

i have high hopes for that one. ret5hd Oct 31 #59

She was close but a little low: EX500rider Oct 31 #62

As well they should! MIButterfly Oct 31 #65

yes they are. peacebuzzard Nov 1 #72