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a kennedy

(35,016 posts)
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 07:33 PM Tuesday

Christian album all AI generated

Solomon Ray became the top artist on the iTunes Top 100 Christian and gospel albums chart last week. But there’s something that may bother you about the Christian artist: He is not human.
According to Christianity Today, Ray was entirely created by artificial intelligence. That includes his voice, performance style, lyrics and persona.

His most recent album is called “A Soulful Christmas,” and it features tracks with titles like “Soul to the World” and “Jingle Bell Soul.”

Solomon Ray is not unique. AI-generated music is a new frontier in the entertainment world, and artists, industry insiders, and consumers are trying to adapt.
Earlier this month, Xania Monet became the first AI-powered virtual artist to debut on a Billboard airplay chart. That sparked debate about the role of technology in the music industry.

https://newsnationnow.com/religion/solomon-ray-ai-christian-singer/ (Sorry it’s from News Nation). Just interesting it’s ALL AI

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Christian album all AI generated (Original Post) a kennedy Tuesday OP
"And Musk created AI in His own image..." Midnight Writer Tuesday #1
If if was going to happen in any genre, it would be Christian music. maxsolomon Tuesday #2
The aesthetic that appreciates (modern) Christian music is a perfect fit for artificiality. harumph Tuesday #3
How many purchases makes #1 on the Christian & Gospel Hot 100? maxsolomon Tuesday #5
You'd be surprised. It's extremely popular. Wiz Imp Wednesday #13
Blegh maxsolomon Wednesday #20
I don't care for it either, but it does have a sizable audience... Wiz Imp Wednesday #22
Try Byzantine liturgical chants, instead. Aristus 5 hrs ago #28
What is so offensive about AI generated music? anciano Tuesday #4
Many of us old people are hung up on authenticity. maxsolomon Tuesday #6
Music used to be an expression of the human condition. Scrivener7 Tuesday #7
OK Cirsium Tuesday #9
Cool 😎.... anciano Tuesday #11
IMO people using AI to write posts for a message board should be kicked off. It's fraud, if not highplainsdem Wednesday #17
Seriously? Music is about creativity. There is no creativity involved in AI generated music Wiz Imp Wednesday #14
Was that written by one of Google's AI tools? Those are also trained illegally on stolen intellectual highplainsdem Wednesday #18
Because all AI is trained off stolen material pinkstarburst Wednesday #15
What is NOT offensive about AI music generators being trained illegally on stolen intellectual property? highplainsdem Wednesday #16
I prefer AI gen music over 95% of modern Popslop. Hellbound Hellhound Wednesday #21
Thanks for your reply ..... anciano Wednesday #23
It's the most harmful non-weapon tech ever developed, for a variety of reasons. highplainsdem 5 hrs ago #25
Just noticed your reply here. Despite your silly contempt for intellectual property, it exists. AI models highplainsdem 5 hrs ago #24
What is coming is... kwolf68 5 hrs ago #30
Because tonkatoy8888 5 hrs ago #26
I don't think the perception taken is one of 'offense', merely 'emptiness.' Torchlight 5 hrs ago #27
It diminishes market opportunities Dave says 5 hrs ago #31
Probably more "humanity" than most CCM nowadays... regnaD kciN Tuesday #8
Can it be played backwards for Satan's message? Norrrm Tuesday #10
How can they tell the difference? Human-generated Christian Contemporary is wallpaper paste on a good day. hatrack Tuesday #12
This guy has been doing a lot of videos on this phenomenon recently. Crunchy Frog Wednesday #19
Last month, an AI generated tune hit some top spots on the country charts as well Torchlight 5 hrs ago #29

maxsolomon

(37,971 posts)
2. If if was going to happen in any genre, it would be Christian music.
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 08:00 PM
Tuesday

I can say with confidence I will never hear this crap.

harumph

(3,038 posts)
3. The aesthetic that appreciates (modern) Christian music is a perfect fit for artificiality.
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 08:10 PM
Tuesday

Of course there's good old Gregorian chants - which can be nice sometimes.

Wiz Imp

(8,408 posts)
13. You'd be surprised. It's extremely popular.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 09:46 AM
Wednesday
https://zipdo.co/christian-music-industry-statistics/

The global Christian music market was valued at approximately $370 million in 2020

Christian music downloads accounted for 15% of all digital music downloads in the United States in 2021

The Christian music streaming market share in the U.S. was approximately 15% in 2023

The top-selling Christian album of 2022 sold over 200,000 copies

Christian radio stations in the U.S. reach over 50 million listeners weekly

YouTube views for popular Christian music videos exceeded 1 billion views in 2021

Spotify’s Christian playlists have over 10 million followers worldwide

Aristus

(71,411 posts)
28. Try Byzantine liturgical chants, instead.
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 11:45 AM
5 hrs ago

Gregorian chants are serene, peaceful, and contemplative.

Byzantine chants are like Gregorian chants on steroids. And meth. And a kind of soft, unfocused rage. But you get the idea.

Sounds like they're getting ready to go curb-stomp somebody.

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anciano

(2,069 posts)
4. What is so offensive about AI generated music?
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 08:11 PM
Tuesday

If it's pleasant to listen to, why is the "composer" an issue?

Cirsium

(3,240 posts)
9. OK
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 09:11 PM
Tuesday

Just have AI write your posts for you. If we like them, why is the "writer" an issue?

highplainsdem

(59,203 posts)
17. IMO people using AI to write posts for a message board should be kicked off. It's fraud, if not
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 10:54 AM
Wednesday

identified as AI generated.

And it's a waste of time that makes a travesty of a message board, period.

We could have the deluded AI users here fill up all 30 pages of the board with "ChatGPT says" and "Gemini says" and "Grok says" idiocies every day - none of the posts telling you what the AI user thinks (their brains are being turned off by AI use anyway) or what the chatbot thinks (because chatbots DON'T think and CAN'T think, and the only reason you don't see chatbots offer a selection of answers for every prompt, as image generators do, is that doing so makes it too damn obvious that AI isn't intelligent).

Wiz Imp

(8,408 posts)
14. Seriously? Music is about creativity. There is no creativity involved in AI generated music
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 09:52 AM
Wednesday

Last edited Wed Nov 26, 2025, 12:20 PM - Edit history (1)

From Google:

In essence, the offense is rooted in the belief that music is a uniquely human form of expression and storytelling, which is undermined by the mechanical, data-driven nature of AI generation and the associated issues of intellectual property and economic fairness for creators.

https://the-peak.ca/2024/06/ai-is-harmful-for-musicians/

AI is harmful for musicians
Many musicians are condemning AI use, and asking fans not to support AI-generated music. This April, more than 200 artists signed a letter against AI in music through the Artist Rights Alliance, including Stevie Wonder, Pearl Jam, Billie Eilish, Arkells, and Norah Jones. The letter states that AI is an “assault on human creativity,” and can “substantially dilute the royalty pools that are paid out to artists.” Although AI-generated music doesn’t get royalties, it still takes opportunities for royalties away from artists who don’t use AI.

Instead of sampling, which means incorporating portions of songs into new tracks — AI can generate “original” sounds using patterns from real songs. However, sampling usually involves consent. AI-generated music is essentially plagiarism of other artists’ sounds and styles. Some have used it to generate fake songs using someone else’s likeness, while others copy musicians’ styles and present them as their own. Despite the number of people condemning AI-generated music, a few artists — such as Canadian musician Grimes — are embracing it to supposedly support their music-making process. When it comes to music production, some professionals believe AI can be helpful in the sense of streamlining the process of finalizing audio engineering elements in the studio. They also argue AI can help with promotion and marketing. However, this still hinders originality and makes for an unfair industry.

For new musicians who are trying to make a name for themselves in the industry, AI use gives them less of a chance to stand out and showcase their originality. Since AI can generate compositions faster than humans, it’s difficult for artists to compete and keep up with AI-generated songs. Artists who choose not to use AI during the promotion process are also at a financial disadvantage, as it physically takes longer to promote and market their work.

AI is already abundant in many technology sectors, but when it comes to art, it’s being taken too far. People create music because of their original ideas, the overall process, and the satisfaction of the final product. AI can’t replace the level of emotion expressed in an artist’s work. If it continues to take over the arts at this alarming rate, it will further degrade originality and put livelihoods at risk. To take a stance against AI, we should support musicians’ original works and boycott AI art in all forms — don’t buy into technological trends that plagiarize genuine creativity.

highplainsdem

(59,203 posts)
18. Was that written by one of Google's AI tools? Those are also trained illegally on stolen intellectual
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 10:56 AM
Wednesday

property, like the AI music generators.

pinkstarburst

(1,841 posts)
15. Because all AI is trained off stolen material
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 10:44 AM
Wednesday

AI "music" can be generated because it was trained off all the stolen music written and performed by actual artists.

Al "writing" can be generated because if was trained off all the stolen books taken from actual novelists. (see the Anthropic lawsuit--authors are being paid $3,000 per book stolen and this isn't the only lawsuit currently in the works.)

AI "art" can be generated because it was trained off all the stolen art created by actual artists.

This is not a victimless crime. None of the actual people who created the original works powering the AIs are being fairly compensated for the revenue that AI is now bringing in.

highplainsdem

(59,203 posts)
16. What is NOT offensive about AI music generators being trained illegally on stolen intellectual property?
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 10:50 AM
Wednesday

Sometimes it seems as if generative AI fans never heard of either ethics or laws.

Anyone who's okay with the theft of intellectual property to train AI is morally bankrupt.

21. I prefer AI gen music over 95% of modern Popslop.
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 03:16 PM
Wednesday

At least with AI gen I can prompt it into what I want it to sound like, not having to deal with the Popslop that's been spewing out of the radio and Youtube for the past ten, fifteen years.

Some people may say "OH BUT MUH INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY!" and to them I say there's nothing intellectual about most modern music or even most art. If I want to hear death-metal gregorian chants in the Hungarian language in a specific meter, I have an AI that can do that. If I want to have a "painting" generated in any style I choose of an upside down dog in the passenger seat of a White Western Star truck , I can do that too.

Either that or I can listen to the five hundredth iteration of "Despacito" or look at a banana taped to a wall.

"Intellectual property" my ass.

Easy choice.

anciano

(2,069 posts)
23. Thanks for your reply .....
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 03:49 PM
Wednesday

generative AI is without doubt a remarkable technological innovation that has enhanced our creativity and efficiency.


highplainsdem

(59,203 posts)
24. Just noticed your reply here. Despite your silly contempt for intellectual property, it exists. AI models
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 11:21 AM
5 hrs ago

trained on intellectual property without permission were trained illegally, and using them (unless under duress, forced to by school or work) is unethical.

Nothing produced by generative AI was actually created by the AI user, any more than someone made an item they shopped for online with keywords, or cooked a meal ordered in a restaurant. It's an illusion of creativity enabled by the theft of the world's intellectual property - the AI robber barons' exploitation of the real knowledge and skills of real people, stolen to offer to AI users so they can pretend to have knowledge and skills they don't have.

Anyone who's ever used genAI knows it can generate quite different results from identical prompts. Image generators typically offer four simultaneous options from a single prompt, options that can look very different. The user didn't create any of them. AI users do have the power of choice when that AI regurgitates something for them that may or may not be close to what they'd envisioned. But so do shoppers. And choosing among things you didn't create isn't creativity or artistry.

Anyone creating real music, through instruments or voice, is much more of a real musician than anyone prompting AI to exploit real musicians' stolen work.

No one who cares about real music should give any support to the travesty that is AI music.

kwolf68

(8,185 posts)
30. What is coming is...
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 12:00 PM
5 hrs ago

Just as artists sue other artists who copy/sample/steal their music, eventually AI is gonna end up in court, it's bound to happen.

Music should never be "AI Generated", holy moly what an abomination.

tonkatoy8888

(163 posts)
26. Because
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 11:39 AM
5 hrs ago

I, and countless others, didn't spend tens of thousands of hours learning, practicing, and trying to perfect our craft.

As frustrating as it can be, it's the price you pay for playing music at a high level.

Fuck AI

Torchlight

(6,190 posts)
27. I don't think the perception taken is one of 'offense', merely 'emptiness.'
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 11:45 AM
5 hrs ago

No doubt, plenty of people prefer 'pleasant and empty,' but that’s not my thing; I’m more of a well-made-salad than a Twinkie kinda guy, though both are pleasant.

Dave says

(5,298 posts)
31. It diminishes market opportunities
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 12:03 PM
5 hrs ago

… for living, breathing creative artists. Streaming services’ algorithms are tuned to give AI music more opportunity — at far less cost to themselves, so there is a conflict of interest here.

Do you really want truly creative people to be reduced to house painters and substitute teachers? AI, meanwhile, vacuums up their past achievements and “creates” slop people listen to … because it’s near the top of their lists due to streaming services’ conflicted interests.

hatrack

(64,045 posts)
12. How can they tell the difference? Human-generated Christian Contemporary is wallpaper paste on a good day.
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 10:15 PM
Tuesday

Bach or Mozart or Penderecki or Berlioz, OTOH, are another matter entirely when it comes to religious music.

Torchlight

(6,190 posts)
29. Last month, an AI generated tune hit some top spots on the country charts as well
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 11:55 AM
5 hrs ago

And in Sept (I think), some popular Euroband admitted to using it exclusively for a couple of their tunes. Been reading about a required 'ingredients' label that may come into play for commercially sold art (even the modest framed print of an original painting bought at Woolworth's is listed as such).

It's a fascinating to observe the real-time evolution of tech & market combined with so few "end goals" defined.

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