Mind your own damn business.

[Swede]

Shouldn't be that hard.

There have been many times when I wanted to use this message and didn't have it so perfectly presented. Now I do. Many of you will have uses for it as well. Thanks Kay Ensley Newman/Rachel Maddow fans/FB.
#ProudBlue

— ElizabethC 💙🐸 (@econklin44.bsky.social) 2025-11-25T22:44:11.062Z

[AllaN01Bear]

1. ding x 1000000000!

[TommieMommy]

2. Excellent 👍👍💙💙

[sheshe2]

3. Brava!

[Karadeniz]

4. Hmmmm.....do men have lack of standing in court?

[bluesbassman]

6. What do you think, do they?

If so, why?

[erronis]

8. That's an excellent question. If a man is just the vehicle for the distribution of zillions of sperm

it seems that he would not have any right to claim authority over where those things ended up.

Just as if I were to sneeze and millions of my droplets ended up infecting someone - would I be able to be accused of intentionally causing harm?

[calimary]

5. THIS!!!

This DAMMIT!!!

[Dave Bowman]

7. I couldn't agree more. 👍

[GoodRaisin]

9. She is 100% correct.

[erronis]

10. The provider of the egg and the nurture should be the only one to have authority, under law and justice.

The other germinators spread their pollen freely and mostly ignore responsibilities.

[2naSalit]

11. Excellent!

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. Some men have uteruses and plenty of women think abortion should be illegal.

[ZDU]

15. Noted.

It'd be nice if you were supportive.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

18. Supportive of?

[Permanut]

13. Bill Clinton suggested that abortion should be safe, legal and rare..

Maximum safety occurs when healthcare decisions are made between providers and patients.

Abortions should be legal, and subject only to the judgment of the mother.

Rarity is only achieved through education and availability of birth control resources.

Just my two cents, which makes no provision for input or control by politicians, religious leaders or insurance companies.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

17. When abortion is safe and legal, there's no reason for it to be rare.

[Permanut]

19. Roger that..

Just thinking of the safety factor, in that availability of birth control resources would likely reduce the necessity for abortion.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

20. Safety as in...?

[Permanut]

22. I'm not a health care provider..

plus I'm an old male, so I need to tread lightly with my assumption -

which is that prevention of pregnancy would be safer than termination.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

25. Depends on the method of prevention.

plus I'm an old male, so I need to tread lightly with my assumption -

No matter what age or gender you are, you can learn.

[ancianita]

27. Safety as in abortion is a lower health risk than dental work, and giving birth is a higher health risk than dental work

Socio-political issues aside, safety and health risks can be seen in the numbers.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

28. Right. Mife is safer than Tylenol.

When Permanut said

Just thinking of the safety factor, in that availability of birth control resources would likely reduce the necessity for abortion.

it wasn't clear to me what their point was regarding "safety" of birth control vs. abortion. That was my question.

[pat_k]

24. As a 65 year old woman...

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I have not met a SINGLE woman who chose to have an abortion who took it "lightly" in the way you imply.

Those who didn't have access to birth control would have FAR preferred to have had access to the birth control that would have helped them AVOID the pregnancy .

Those who became pregnant after a failure of the inadequate birth control available (e.g., diaphragm or condom), would have MUCH preferred more effective methods.

Those who became pregnant after a rape would have MUCH preferred access to the Morning After pill (which was not available when I grew up).

In my 45 years as an adult on this planet, I do not know ANY FEMALE person who would "choose" abortion as a method of birth control. That is a canard.

If birth control were available at no cost to all female humans capable of becoming pregnant, I can GUARANTEE abortions would be extremely rare indeed.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

26. "I do not know ANY FEMALE person who would "choose" abortion as a method of birth control"

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But that's what it is, in the end. It prevents a birth by ending a pregnancy. People (not just "females" ) choose it all the time.

If birth control were available at no cost to all female humans capable of becoming pregnant, I can GUARANTEE abortions would be extremely rare indeed.

Cost is different than access, and abortion doesn't need to be rare.

[pat_k]

29. Just curious. Are you now, or have your ever been a person who could become pregnant?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

30. What about my response prompts this McCarthyist question?

[pat_k]

31. I fear I may have responded in a knee jerk way because...

...to date the people I have encountered who assert that abortion is used as a primary method of birth control have been anti-abortion males promoting the notion that legal and safe abortions would create some sort of sodom and gomorrah.

I apologize for my McCarthyesque query. I am ashamed of that sort of response. I've been on DU for over 20 years because discussion here is generally better than that.

You are of course correct to point out that abortion is in fact a form of birth control in that it terminates a pregnancy. But I stand by my assertion that access to information and access to effective methods of birth control for all girls and women would make abortion a more rare method of last resort. And that is how I have always interpreted Hillary Clinton's quote

I believe abortion should be safe, legal and rare, and when I say 'rare,' I mean rare!

And I also stand by my personal experience with women who have had abortions. For everyone I've talked to about it (including my own experience) it was a difficult decision. In some cases, a very difficult decision that it took many years to fully come to terms with. Life would have been far easier if birth control had been available to them without restriction, in an easily accessible clinic, and without cost.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

36. Thank you for your apology. Please don't beat yourself up about it.

But I stand by my assertion that access to information and access to effective methods of birth control for all girls and women would make abortion a more rare method of last resort. And that is how I have always interpreted Hillary Clinton's quote

That's fair. I will say, though, that in the movement, there's been a shift away from that sentiment, because wanting something to be rare can create a stigma around it -- that it's dangerous, something to be avoided, something to not have to talk about. The slogan just isn't used anymore.

And I also stand by my personal experience with women who have had abortions. For everyone I've talked to about it (including my own experience) it was a difficult decision. In some cases, a very difficult decision that it took many years to fully come to terms with.

Again, there's been a shift in both understanding and talking about abortion. For many people who get abortions, it's actually not a difficult decision, and not one they agonize over. It's always been this way, but people who found it easy to make the decision were often ignored or silenced in the early days of the movement. But that narrative is not front and center anymore either, because we know that people who have access to all options know what they want and need. I am sorry you found your decision difficult.

Life would have been far easier if birth control had been available to them without restriction, in an easily accessible clinic, and without cost.

This is exactly what people in the movement are now fighting for. Instead of "safe, legal and rare," it's for abortion to be "free, on demand and without apology."

[biophile]

41. Abortion can be safe, legal, rare, free, on demand and without apology all at once

The fact that it isn’t all of these things is a matter of law, policy, religion, and personal attitudes.
But it certainly could be all of those things.

[pat_k]

42. You have a point that "rare" as a policy goal can attach a stigma to it.

And while the decision may be easy for many women, that doesn't mean they wouldn't have preferred to have avoided the pregnancy entirely.

Access to the most effective methods, such as IUD's or implants, without parental consent, is still impossible in half of our states.

That is intolerable.

Access to free birth control reduces abortion rates
A study from Washington University School of Medicine shows that providing free birth control to women reduces unplanned pregnancies and abortions
by Diane Duke Williams•October 12, 2012

https://medicine.washu.edu/news/access-to-free-birth-control-reduces-abortion-rates/

....
A new study by investigators at Washington University reports that providing birth control to women at no cost substantially reduces unplanned pregnancies and cuts abortion rates by a range of 62 to 78 percent compared to the national rate....

Whether it's a policy goal or not, access to effective birth control reduces abortion rates by something like 60% or 80%.

That tells me that when given the choice, women choose methods like IUD's or implants over less effective methods and sequential abortion as back up "birth control" method.

[ZDU]

14. Hear, hear!

[Ping Tung]

16. Don't forget the "It's not my fault. She was askin' for it." part.

[pat_k]

21. It is bad enough that women still must defend their right to make life altering choices about continuing a pregnancy..

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... now, they are not just denied that right, but their doctors are DENIED the choice to fulfill their hippocratic oath by performing a medical procedure that preserves the life of a woman over the continued "life" of a fetus -- a "life" which is either non-viable as a result of a defect or clearly non-viable under Roe v. Wade.

From Rev. Dr. Dan Brockway "I found Roe’s focus on fetal viability to be a decent compromise. Once a developing fetus has a fighting chance of surviving outside the womb, elective termination of the pregnancy (outside of serious health complications) is more or less objectively immoral.

When does life begin? Reckoning with surprising answers in Scripture
Rev. Dr. Dan Brockway
Jul 19, 2022

Excerpts

As Christians engage in the cultural debate over abortion following the overturning of Roe v. Wade, perhaps the biggest takeaway from surveying the Bible’s teaching around life and when it begins is that we need to exercise some humility.

For it was you who formed my inward parts;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.

On Jeramiah
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I consecrated you;
I appointed you a prophet to the nations.

God intimate knowledge of us -- not when.

Life begins at first breath
"Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."

Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

It would seem, therefore, that God’s law in the Old Testament recognizes a difference between human life outside the womb (once first breath has been drawn) and the potential life status of a developing fetus.

Perhaps the biggest takeaway from surveying the Bible’s teaching around life and when it begins is that we need to exercise some humility. As Christians, we should strive to relate all of our views and actions to Scripture. When the witness of Scripture is not fully clear—and especially when it clashes with our assumptions—that should call our own certainty into question and inspire humility.

Maybe we are not meant to fully understand when life begins. Maybe God—in God’s infinite wisdom—decided that such knowledge is beyond our paygrade. And maybe that’s okay.

[Clouds Passing]

23. Not one of you live in fear of having a miscarriage and being hauled off to jail

[niyad]

32. Interesting to see this, right after learning that robert dear, the Planned

Parenthood Black Friday (Nov 27, 2015) murderer has died.

[pat_k]

33. Just learned this too

I also didn't know he was never found competent to stand trail, with an evaluation as recent as last month.

[spanone]

34. K&R

[Joinfortmill]

35. Wow. Just, wow. And Amen.

[NNadir]

37. I'm glad to get on the rec list. Better late than never.

Why is this so difficult to grasp?

I'm a man but I hate patriarchy.

[chouchou]

38. I and my husband have always felt those true words.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

39. But, the Bible says ...

... It's gotta be in here somewhere, hang on a sec ...

[Martin68]

40. 100% true!